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Ok, now I understand. My response: to use nukes is
nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find another way to not
back down. If you don't, then America will become the pariah of the world,
now and forever. And all the achievements and glories of her past and the
hope and promise she holds for the future for all of us in the world will be
lost. Jim, find another fucking way.
Regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Mike Higgs" <moongateca@xxxxxxxx>; "Dean DiCarlo"
<junkmayl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
> No, I'm saying that whether they use them or not does not give our
military
> an excuse to back down. They won't. They have contingency plans. NBC
suits,
> etc. To many of us the Point man in a tank column is nuts, the firement
who
> bravely ran up the stairs in the WTC buildings were nuts. But they do it
> because it is their job and they are going to do it, and be proud. The
point
> is, we can't back down.
>
> Jim Bronke
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Higgs" <moongateca@xxxxxxxx>
> To: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>; "Dean DiCarlo"
> <junkmayl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
>
>
> : Jim,
> :
> : I'm not quite sure what you are saying here when talk about nukes. Are
you
> : saying that their use doesn't matter because the US Army has been
readied
> : for them? That because their use in response to US Army action won't
slow
> : the US Army, it doesn't matter if they are used by a rich Saudi. I am
> : confused by your statement about a few nuclear weapons. You seem to be
> : saying that a few nukes used by the bad guys wouldn't matter. Before I
go
> : saying that you are nuts, how about a clarification of exactly what you
> are
> : saying?
> :
> : Regards,
> : Mike
> : ----- Original Message -----
> : From: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>
> : To: "Dean DiCarlo" <junkmayl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> : Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:15 AM
> : Subject: Re: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
> :
> :
> : > Let's not get too hysterical here. Our army is actually been readied
for
> : > nuclear war with Russia. A few nuclear weapons from a Rich Saudi with
> cell
> : > phone as a battle field communicator is not going to slow them down.
> : > Catching him would be good. It is important that we have a trail of
> : evidence
> : > leading to him. I'm afraid that it won't lead to the end of terrorism.
> : > We executed Timothy McVeigh this year and 20 times as many terrorists
> have
> : > sprung up. Is it going to keep increasing at this pace?
> : > We have a free and open society, that's why we are at risk.
> : >
> : > Jim Bronke
> : > Phoenix, AZ
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > ----- Original Message -----
> : > From: "Dean DiCarlo" <junkmayl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> : > To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> : > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:02 PM
> : > Subject: RE: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
> : >
> : >
> : > : I have been thinking that this may be a trap sprung by bin laden.
> There
> : > is
> : > : not doubt that bin laden does not have the capability to launch
nukes
> to
> : > the
> : > : U.S., but does he have access to them? Who knows, but what if this
is
> a
> : > : trap to get a huge part of our armed forces sucked into his land
where
> : he
> : > : can deploy what nukes he may have on a large section of the U.S.
> forces?
> : > We
> : > : alredy know they have enough crazies over there who would be honored
> to
> : > hit
> : > : the tip of a nuke with a hammer just as a group of our marines
closes
> in
> : > on
> : > : him...
> : > :
> : > : This is a VERY scary thought, but how could the U.S. military
protect
> : > : against it?
> : > :
> : > : Deano
> : > : -----Original Message-----
> : > : From: Don Roos [mailto:rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> : > : Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:36 PM
> : > : To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx; Ullrich Fischer
> : > : Subject: Re: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : There will always be serious technical and logistical problems
> invading
> : > : someone else's country, such as experienced by the Soviet army, but
> the
> : > : main problem would be that Bin Laden is now thought of as a Robin
Hood
> : and
> : > : is
> : > : liked much better than the Taliban by the
> : > : population. If we move into a country without means of escape or
> : control
> : > of
> : > : our flanks, to find a moving target, who is worshiped by the
populace,
> : > what
> : > : chance of success do we have? If we were to move into the area in a
> : > : stepping stone process of full scale conventional warfare to
provide
> : > : adequate resupply and protection from flank attack, we would have to
> : move
> : > : through Pakistan or Iran. They would not be able to stop us, but my
> : point
> : > : is that Bin Laden has written and stated that his objective
> : > : is to get the west to engage in a way that will enrage the 1 billion
> : > Islamic
> : > : followers to oppose the western Christian "infidels" on their soil,
> thus
> : > : unifying the Muslim world into one empire again, not seen since the
> fall
> : > of
> : > : Constantinople. Bin Laden wants to be the head of that empire with
a
> : > puppet
> : > : mulla figurehead. Do we want to engage Bin Laden on his terms or
> ours?
> : > We
> : > : need to
> : > : evaluate and study what Bin Laden wants, and then come to some
> approach
> : > : which will go after him on our
> : > : terms and time. I do not feel the enraged population will easily
> simmer
> : > : down and accept some neat cruise missile attacks this time. The
> bigger
> : > : problem will be not to engage prematurely on Bin Laden's terms.
> : > :
> : > : Don
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : ----- Original Message -----
> : > : From: "Ullrich Fischer" <uf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> : > : To: "Don Roos" <rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> : > : Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:58 PM
> : > : Subject: Re: Avoid what Bin Laden wants?
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : Well said, Don. At the very least, the US will have to bring China
> into
> : a
> : > : military alliance. This may be difficult, but given that China has
> : > : suffered from Islamic extremist bombs in some of its northern cities
> : over
> : > : the last few years, should not be impossible.
> : > :
> : > : At 9/15/2001 06:45 PM, Don Roos wrote:
> : > : >When we think of the fact that an out-of-control war between the
west
> : and
> : > : >the Islamic countries is *exactly* what Bin Laden wants and has
> written
> : > : >about (and that his aspirations are similar to Hitler's), it is
very
> : > scary
> : > : >to think of the impact upon our sons as well as ourselves of a
> : > dictatorial
> : > : >leader of an entire 1 billion Islamic people with the extermination
> of
> : > the
> : > : >Jews as well as the entire destruction of modern technological
> : Christian
> : > : >society as the goals of the dictator (Bin Laden). The challenge we
> must
> : > : face
> : > : >to avoid this trap will be formidible.
> : > : >
> : > : >The initial trap is the temptation to carpet bomb and try to
destroy
> an
> : > : >already destroyed country, Afghanistan. That is what he wants us
to
> : do:
> : > by
> : > : >bombing the widows and orphans of Afghanistan and placing ground
> troops
> : > : into
> : > : >an Islamic country (which will be the only way to get Bin Laden) we
> : will
> : > : see
> : > : >a turn
> : > : >of the moderates against us and the polarization of the west
against
> : the
> : > : >Islamic *billion*
> : > : >that Bin Laden wants. We could easily find our troops surrounded
by
> : > : hoardes
> : > : >of new anti-crusaders without
> : > : >escape.
> : > : >
> : > : >I do now know what the solution is, but to walk into a Viet Nam
trap
> : > : >that defeated the awsome Soviet Empire war machine would be
> tantamount
> : to
> : > : >purposefully walking into a trap of worldwide strategic
proportions.
> : In
> : > : >addition, I became aware of the fact only today that Afghanistan
> *does*
> : > : have
> : > : >a border with China. The last times we invaded a country bordering
> : China
> : > : >were
> : > : >in 50's and 60's and they did not produce a good result.
> : > : >
> : > : >Don
> : > :
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>
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