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Well with all due respect, I think you are missing something. The problem is
that there hasn't been any diplomatic effort, really. The US and Israel have
made up their mind on what to do and they don't care what anyone has to say.
Now we have to put up with the brainwashing attempts by the Prime Minister
of Israel and other friends of Israel when for quite some time now they have
been the problem and refuse to listen. For example, do you know how many
other nations supported the US and Israel on six resolutions involving
Palestine and the middle east back on December 1,2000?
Zero, and as much as 145 nations voting against Israel. This is something
they keep quiet. They have found a big brother who will help them bully
others around and they won't listen to anybody. Go to Press release GA/9838
of the United Nations. It is this kind of thing that makes for fertile
ground for terrorism. Diplomacy means listening to others, not giving them
lip service. The kind of dipolomacy that you are referring to is just that,
lip service. The friends of Israel in this country care more about Israel
than they do about this country and wake up in the morning asking what can
they do for Israel, not what can they do for this country. The result is
that it is the US and Israel vs the world on many middle east issues. That
is not diplomacy. The folllowing is the URL for that paper
http://srch1.un.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=1000599246&view=unsearch&numh
itsfound=1&query=ga%2F9838&&docid=2277&docdb=pr2000&dbname=web&sorting=BYREL
EVANCE&operator=adj&TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&setCookie=1
If that doesn't work go to www.un.org and search for GA/9838.
The other issue is our presence in Iraq. There is no question that the
leadership over there is incorrigible and that their country has made no
substantial changes in their war machine philosophy since they invaded
Kuwait, but, does that really justify that we should stay there monitoring
everything that they do(slapping their hand occasionally), and if we do,
what are the consequences? By virtue of the fact that we are still over
there occasionally making bombing runs means that we already are technically
at war. This gets lost on americans who end up watching the latest police
chase du jour at night instead of there being real discussion and concern
about these issues. I believe that we have worn out our welcome over there
in the middle east for a number of years. Meaning that we had the support of
all the nations when Iraq invaded Kuwait, but, if we took a poll right now
we would find that the other nations don't want us there. So, this becomes a
sticky issue that people have to really consider if you really want to do
what is best. On the surface the middle east nations play along with us,
but, underneath some are seething. The only way you can read in to this is
by how they vote. We should have a policy that requires us to have support
for continued military intervention. This would require that we have
approval of the UN or neighboring nations when ever conflict and military
intervention extends for more than a year. We ought to continue to seek this
approval. If we don't then we are really arrogant, and, we hurt ourselves in
the long run.
I just listened to an interview of Henry Kissinger, and for the first time,
I felt that he had nothing of real value to say. I'm starting to see the
truth in him. He is a blind supporter of our support and alliance with
Israel. He and others like him want to brainwash the American public in to
believing that this is a war against terrorism. It is a diplomatic war and
if we were managing our foreign affairs well Israel would have to take a
back seat in ours. That is an option he doesn't want to consider. It is an
option Americans ought to consider.
I consider that the involvement of the US with Israel is analogous to
picking a favorite in a family feud(like the Hatfields and McCoys) and
expecting that the unchosen one will not be pissed and come after you. Good
luck.
We pulled one over on the British in 1776 when we started hiding behind
trees, now the only revenge that people can get is terrorism. There is no
buildings and no military to strike here.
Jim Bronke
Phoenix, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Heisler" <BHEISLER@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>; <bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"MikeSuesserott" <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>;
<metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: God Bless America
: Perhaps I'm missing something, and it sure wouldn't be the first time, but
: please explain how "diplomatic" efforts can combat these kind of people.
: I've listened to this sort of rhetoric for the last decade and quite
frankly
: am sick of it.
:
: There comes a time when we have to end this form of thinking that puts
: symbolism over substance, words over actions, the acceptance of
unacceptable
: behavior, the solving of problems by hoping they go away and the practice
of
: rationalizing and making excuses for everything.
:
: Bob
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>
: To: <bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "MikeSuesserott"
: <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
: <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:30 AM
: Subject: Re: God Bless America
:
:
: > I am not against striking back. Only, I point out that involvement in
: > retribution does not solve the problem. The only way to truly solve the
: > problem is through diplomatic efforts. Those need to be rethought as
well.
: >
: > Jim Bronke
: > Phoenix, AZ
: >
: >
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Bill Daniel" <bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > To: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>; "MikeSuesserott"
: > <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
: > <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
: > <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:02 AM
: > Subject: RE: God Bless America
: >
: >
: > : Those who wish to strike back with vengeance don't
: > : seem to realize that the death of a thousand terrorists can not make
up
: > for
: > : the loss of one of our lives.
: > :
: > : Jim
: > :
: > : It is true that the death of a thousand terrorists cannot make up for
: the
: > : loss of our lives. However, there will
: > : be a thousand less terrorists to take further lives. Diplomacy has
its
: > : place. So does force. Force may be the
: > : one thing that will cause the terrorists to consider that maybe there
is
: a
: > : better way to resolve conflict than
: > : through their terror. We cannot be afraid to face them. The current
: > : tragedy is the result of total dependence
: > : on diplomacy and our failure to realize that when we are compelled to
: use
: > : force it must be for total and complete victory.
: > : The US does not use force recklessly, but there is a time and place
for
: > it.
: > : This is one of those times. The place is wherever terrorism resides.
: > :
: > : Bill Daniel
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : -----Original Message-----
: > : From: Jim Bronke [mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx]
: > : Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:02 AM
: > : To: MikeSuesserott; realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx;
: > : metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > : Subject: Re: God Bless America
: > :
: > :
: > : Mike,
: > :
: > : Thank you very much for your thoughts. This list has a way of bonding
: > : people from around the world in more ways than just technically. Most
: > : Americans have ties to other countries. My great grandfather was from
: > : Germany. He came over abt. 1886. his name was Frederick Brunk.
Although
: > this
: > : is just a very small part of my lineage it is a tie that binds. This
is
: a
: > : sad time for us and reflects that we can't intercede in world affairs
: > : without paying a price. Those who wish to strike back with vengeance
: don't
: > : seem to realize that the death of a thousand terrorists can not make
up
: > for
: > : the loss of one of our lives. I have been glued to my TV, watching the
: > news
: > : reports, our brave firemen and policemen, we can't forget them.
: > : If we view the answer to this crisis is revenge than we have become
one
: of
: > : them and we have become part of the problem. It is only through wise
: > : diplomacy that we can solve this problem. I'm afraid that what I have
: seen
: > : for the last 30 years has been anything but that.
: > : We have created fertile ground for the hatred of America by picking
: allies
: > : and over injecting ourselves in other parts of the world. For that we
: pay.
: > : We will survive, though.
: > :
: > : Just a little over a year ago I was in N.Y. City in June 2000
attending
: > the
: > : OmegaWorld convention there. Dancing, being a hobby of mine got me out
: > each
: > : night. One of my fondest memories was attending a swing night at
Window
: of
: > : the World Restaurant and Bar at the top of the World Trade Center
: > building.
: > : It was incredible. Now it is just a memory, a very fond one. At one
: point
: > I
: > : walked over to the window with a gal I had befriended. The distance
down
: > is
: > : so incredible she couldn't even walk over. She crawled as we got close
: and
: > : peeked down. LOL. There is a spirit and a life to many parts of our
: > country
: > : and I was happy to make NYC a part of my life for that week. Our
country
: > : will survive, we will need to make changes, however.
: > :
: > : Thanks to all the O'Listers around the world for your thoughts and
: prayers
: > : during this time.
: > :
: > : Jim Bronke
: > : Phoenix, AZ
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : ----- Original Message -----
: > : From: "MikeSuesserott" <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
: > : To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>;
: > : <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > : Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:01 PM
: > : Subject: God Bless America
: > :
: > :
: > : : Like so many of you, I feel deeply for the terrible tragedy that has
: > : : occurred. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their
: > families,
: > : : and with the American people.
: > : :
: > : : Germany is in shock. All public building are flagged at half-mast.
In
: > : : uninterrupted streams for the past 30 or so hours, people have been
: > : placing
: > : : flowers in front of the American embassy in Berlin, and the American
: > : : consulates in other cities. During working hours, you could see many
: > : school
: > : : children who came individually or with their teacher, trying to
place
: > : their
: > : : flowers as close to the embassy gates as possible; during lunch
break
: > and
: > : : after the offices close, the other age groups come. Many are
sobbing,
: or
: > : : have tears in their eyes. Now, at night, you see numerous windows
that
: > : have
: > : : candles placed in them. Memorial services are being held all over
the
: > : : country for the victims. This morning a memorial service was held in
a
: > : large
: > : : cathedral in Berlin, with the Chancellor and other dignitaries
: present.
: > : The
: > : : cathedral was filled to the overflowing, with so many people wanting
: to
: > : : attend that a second service had to be scheduled immediately
: thereafter.
: > : :
: > : : The world, and Germany in particular, has much for which to be
: thankful
: > to
: > : : America; now America deserves the loyalty of her allies. Her kind,
: > : : large-hearted, and freedom-loving spirit, more than any
technological
: > : power,
: > : : has made America the leader of the world and a beacon of light and
: hope
: > : for
: > : : the downtrodden nations. I know this great nation will prevail over
: the
: > : : present crisis, and come out the stronger for it. God bless America!
: > : :
: > : : Michael Suesserott
: > : :
: > :
: >
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