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I agree with most of what you said.
But if you look at what i stated in my original message - Pro is missing some functionality and major missing part is third-party data support. As soon as they add this part there are no other big limitation which would prevent you from using newer and better version of TS2K - TS Pro. Everything you described you need should be available for you with third-party data support option in TS Pro (expect workspace assistance, but who knows, they could add it too).
The only reason for my message was to share my opinion that PRO is not as bad as many thinks who never tried it and who have some misconception of what pro can do.
Thanks,
gary
ps: the history for futures data much longer than 2 months back. ~2 months ago is when they added futures data. it is hard to argue about something that you can not check first.
"Bengtsson, Mats" wrote:
> For some, data not in a chart might be as you say "the only data you do not
> have", for some that might be tremendous amounts of data. Those using
> workspace assistant to backtest on stocks for example, wanting several
> thousands of data points for thousands of stocks will likely say it takes
> some time to get those data over a line. For these, TS Pro is not for them.
>
> Futures, well I do not know futures, those who can make it with only a few
> months, then it works for them, for the others, TS Pro is not for them
>
> There is no clean data, we have seen a number of mails on this, data with
> wrong points, data split incorrectly, ... As long as the data is not
> essential for you, it is ok, but when it is, it is better to be able to fix
> it yourself.
>
> On only way to be sure a new version works, I agree, you have to test it.
> And that can be done in TS4 or TS2K by testring. In TS Pro you always risk
> that you get it even if you do not want it.
>
> Well, I see no problem discussing TS Pro for my own use without actually
> testing it. It does not have the stocks I am trading, since it does not
> deliver for my stock market. It does not allow me to backtest unless I chart
> all of them. Why should I test if I like a program without data that does
> not let me backtest the data I have in TS2K? The needs are different, with
> what I lined up below, and above, there is no need to try the program since
> it is so clear you can not do what you need to do.
>
> With system writer, I would not have been certain without a test. With TS4 I
> would not have been certain without a test. Without TS2K I would not have
> been certain without a test. With TS Pro, it is so different and so limiting
> if you do not fit the main stream, so if you are not in the main stream, you
> do not need to test it to say is is useless for you.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Yakhnes [mailto:gary@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: den 2 september 2001 19:38
> > To: Bengtsson, Mats; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: NeoTicker (was Re: EL to VB translator)
> >
> >
> > >From: "Bengtsson, Mats" <mats.bengtsson@xxxxxxxx>
> > >The quality might be the same if you define it by stability, since
> > >Omega has not tried to make TS2K very stable yet. Depending what you
> > >want to do, it might differ a lot though. Let us try for example:
> > >Backtesting on large sets of data (speed means data has to
> > be on your hard
> > >drive).
> >
> > The only data which you don't have on your hard drive is the
> > data for the symbols you did not create a chart for. As soon
> > as you create a chart for a symbol you have the data for this
> > symbol on your hd. To confirm this you could go to off-line
> > mode or close the program and reopen it in the off-line mode
> > and see that the data is still on your hd and you could do
> > any backtesting you do in TS2k. Also you have an option to
> > set numbers of days data would be available on the hard drive
> > for you (default is 60 days).
> >
> > >Running futures? (I do not, just heared it is not there).
> >
> > The futures are there for few months.
> >
> > >Being able to clean the data (which is a real time demand if
> > you do not
> > >want to be reminded on the spike the rest of the day).
> >
> > What if the data is pretty clean. Do you still need to clean
> > it manually?
> >
> > >Knowing that if Omega makes an update, you do not use it
> > until you are
> > >sure it is better (will you get to do like that when they are done
> > >converting users?) . . .
> >
> > The only way to be sure it is better or not is to test it for
> > yourself or to collect other user's opinions.
> >
> > >Then, claiming TS Pro better than TS2K because it is more stable is
> > >really falling into the lap of Omega and their ways of
> > redefining the
> > >truth.
> >
> > For me it would be really difficult to argue about something
> > I never seen, just heard something, and part of what I heard
> > turned out to be not exactly true... There are numbers of
> > improvement in ts pro while some important features are still
> > missing (we discussed this earlier). The overall
> > performance/functionality score would heavily depend on the
> > preferences and needs of each individual user (somebody would
> > not use a product with no bad ticks editing option while
> > other would prefer the comfort of auto-correction option for
> > bad ticks as long as it works the way they expected).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > gary
> >
> >
>
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