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Re: NeoTicker (was Re: EL to VB translator)



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Just a few musings...

> Data-on-demand would be ideal if it really worked. No one likes 
> having to maintain their own data but there is now no choice if you 
> want lots of accurate historical data for backtesting. An ideal model 
> would let you collect real-time data for trading, store the data on 
> your machine locally, fix bad ticks as they occur, and be able to 
> download years of accurate historical data and store it on your 
> machine for system development. The ability to download intraday data 
> to fill holes is essential. The present combination of 
> DynaStore/DynaLoader plus QFeed is close to this model and works very 
> well.
> 
I wonder about that data on demand also.  If you're truly going to 
grab a lot of data, can they pump enough to you over the internet?  
And if they do, when do the ticks get cleaned up?  If they're 
cleaned on the way out, you have a slowdown for every tick you are 
delivered.  If they clean up later, when are those sent out?  nightly 
maintenance?  next day?  Will it just be clean on their server or 
when it's clean will they clean what is stored on your hard drive?

In order to do a lot of backtesting that doesn't take centuries, you'll 
need to have the data on your hard drive, so you'll want to set it to 
always be going there.  So, now you're saving a lot of data.  What 
with Best Buy selling a 100GB HD for $300 and giving you a $200 
gift certificate, the storage space isn't really an issue.  Bandwidth 
is the issue and the last thing you want is your quotes being slow 
on the open for the stocks you are trading so that you can get the 
data you want for the stocks that you'll be backtesting after the 
close.  And you definitely can't backtest off their server data as that 
is so slow going across the internet compared to directly from your 
hard drive.

> Brokerage services are rapidly becoming a commodity 
> and commission revenue is approaching zero. Before long, we will be 
> placing orders directly with the ECN's. Why anyone would want to 
> start a brokerage business today is beyond me. Ideally, TRAD will 
> work with other firms to provide a direct order entry linkage into 
> their order entry systems as well.
> 
I agree that it's insane to start a brokerage biz today.  But I do 
believe that TRAD could have an advantage IF they cleaned up their 
software.  It's a product that I have not seen offered by any other 
brokerage.  But, their problems are many.  One is obviously the 
software problems that have been enumerated on this list (I don't 
have TSPro).  The other is the lack of customer service.  If you take 
48 hours to respond to someone's question (as they do with 
TS2Ki), then your clients aren't going to be trading with much 
frequency.  Also, if you through newbies to TS a package without 
adequate support and training and a good batch of initial systems, 
then they're just going to be frustrated with it, not use it, and 
realize they can pay less commission somewhere else.  
Eventually, you are down to your hard core TS users and that's a 
limited market.  It's particularly limited if they can use TS2Ki and 
trade with lower commissions elsewhere.  Sincere service and 
support is the answer to TRAD's problems and as you say Jim, 
their track record does not reflect this.

Regarding ECN's eliminating brokerages, I can't see that 
happening.  Brokers are responsible for "monitoring" their 
customers from a legal standpoint and they have a boatload of 
legal issues to deal with and are very labor intensive operations.  
They will always be needed for that.  ECN's don't want to get into 
that arena.  What ECN's want to do is have as many orders plow 
through their systems as possible to generate the most $$$ 
possible.  They don't want to have to deal with the regulatory 
issues brokers deal with.  A broker could buy an ECN, but then 
other brokers would shy away from directing their orders to that 
ECN first.  The best way for an ECN to get the most biz is to 
remain equally available for as many as possible.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the possibility of lawsuits 
against TRAD.  By providing clients with sophisticated software 
and including systems that can tell them when to buy and sell, are 
they not "advising" their clients?  And if so, how can they be sure 
that the advice that the same software generates for everyone is 
appropriate for each individual trader? One of the basic rules for 
brokers is to "know your customer" and advise him based on this 
knowledge.  I doubt that TRAD is incorporating this knowledge into 
each customer's system.  At some point when one or more 
customers blow up, TRAD could be facing some serious liability.  
It's already happened with some of the big boys, why would TRAD 
be any different?

> 
> My thoughts.
> 

Now you have mine FWTW.

Good Trading!

Cash



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