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--- Michael Suesserott <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Lawrence,
> 
> I'd have to disagree with you here. Your wide brush
> remarks about a computer
> language that dominates the server-programming world
> and serves as the
> language of choice in most university computer
> science departments, tend to
> miss the point.

The language that really domain server programming
is perl - not java. Perl is sys admin's do-it-all
tool.

Java is great for non-programmers to get something
done fast. To the academics (I was one), it is a 
great tool for teaching basic programming concepts 
without the hassle of going into details (e.g. 
printing a real number with format string, etc.).
But the most important decision to them is that
they do not have to pay for the new language tool.
You may not believe what I said - but that is the
plain truth - a college has a budget too.

Just think - if there is no java, and server
side programming is c++ only. We will have 1/10
of websites having the type of content we have today.
Why then? If there is a real demand in making
websites and client side apps, why would there
be any less number of sites? Shouldn't supply demand
drive the creation of more c++ programmers?

The answer is no. It is well-known that it is 
very hard to teach and train someone into effectivly
coding in strongly typed object oriented programming.
Thus, java is a great bridge for getting many things
done without the cost of hiring profficient c++
programmers.

> 
> Do you really think that Schwab wouldn't be able to
> afford a C++ compiler
> and would go for Java just because it's free?

Schwabs cannot afford enough c++ programmers, 
not compilers, to be "on time" to market their stuff.
The development cost will be way higher and take more
time to market.

> 
> Note, also, how Microsoft is desperately trying to
> keep Java off its turf,
> so much so that they are coming out with a Java
> look-alike called C# which
> will be a language with about the same features
> (give or take some enums
> and, perhaps, operator overloading), but restricted
> to the Microsoft world,
> of course.

when you use java on Windows, the java machine 
that comes with IE is made by MS. How hard would it
be for MS to create their next java interpreter in
C#, with so much help from Intel :)

then you will find it so slow, and people will
figure going for the underlying language will be
faster and not that hard at all ... :)
 
> I don't intend to revive the trader-girl wars of
> last year, but I am with M.
> Simms here. Just download Borland's JBuilder4
> (Foundation edition is free),
> which is itself entirely written in Java, and you
> will be amazed to see how
> well this extremely complex application works.

I have Jbuilder already. So the opinion I made
is not blind sided.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael Suesserott
> 

I know my comments will generate some heat.

Love of using a particular programming language 
is a very personal preference to most people.

But when it comes to running a company, creating
a platform, etc. then many factors kicks in.
For web related development, java is chosen from
its low cost, to rapid app development (RAD), and
not because of better performance or stability.

Happy trading!


=====
Lawrence Chan                   http://www.tickquest.com    
Innovative Analytical Software for Trading Professionals