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Re: What are the most liquid symbols to trade ?



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it is statistically easy to find average liquidity and have
your system utilize that number for bet sizing that is if 
you are trading size...
for rough approximation take total volume per day
and divide it by the number of seconds in session 
you will get ave size per second. it's a very interesting 
number to look at. gives you an idea what ave 
liquidity is. 
if a contract has 100k average daily volume and 
trades 6 hours then aver volume per second it 
about 100K / 60*60*6 = 4.6 contract per second 
on average. you can also get real fancy and take 
total number of ticks per ( tick volume ) and assuming 
all ticks are same size approximate total distance price 
travels per day. you can then come with ticks traveled 
per second.  say tick volume is 4000 ticks per session
that tell you that price traveled 4000*ave tick size
or .19 tick per second or 1 tick per 5 seconds.
than you can approximate ave volume per tick.
in this case since it take 5 seconds to travel a tick on 
average then ave volume per tick will be 5*ave volume 
per second or 5*4.6 = about 25 contracts per tick.
this number can tell you approximately how much size it 
took to move price per tick... an important number
that should tell you "don't bid more than 25 if you don't want to 
move the price a tick on average".
later on you can do lookback based liquidity 
calculation since most of time in morning and towards 
the close liquidity jumps compared to at lunch. so you 
can do average liquidity per 1st hour. last hour and lunch 
time. but you need intraday data for that. in the spoos 
you can't do that but you can look at the tick volume 
distribution during the day and extrapolate from daily 
volume what the liquidity is now. or you can call the 
floor and ask.
the bottom line is that you should not exceed that 
number and that should allow you to hide your 
size within the average size so that you don't flash
your hand. 
in stocks it's easy to see on L2 or TOS what the ave size 
is. another important consideration in stocks is 
that up to about 3/4 of size in passive orders will 
not getting executed...
meaning  if you have total size at the bid 100K 
and total size at the ask 50K and market is going 
up the chances are that only about 3/4 or less of 
100K at the bid will get executed. the rest will 
remain unfilled whereas all 50K will get executed 
at the offer. same stuff in the pits..

the most liquid market in the futures today is ED,
next is bonds but liquidity dropped a lot recently,
spoos are good but nothing compared to the above
and there are about 300-500 real liquid stocks on nasdaq
and about 100 on NY. Qs are the most liquid out 
of Qs Spy and Dia. Dia is the least liquid on amex.
but the most liquid market in the world is of course 
forex ( talking real forex not the bucket shop forex )
futures mag gives you liquidity rating in every issue
for the month.

for stocks do a scan on stocks with ave daily volume
of 500K or more, >10 on table top. that should 
produce that 300+ list. real high liquidity stocks 
where you can get 10k shares in one second are 
not many,  maybe about 10-20 stocks. 
the most liquid naz stocks are csco, msft, intc, orcl, dell, wcom,

and remember the higher the liquidity is the tougher it is 
to move the market. that's why ed has such tight range.
also as the stock price moves from one tabletop to a higher one
the liquidity will decrease as it take more margin to trade 
higher priced market. as liquidity decreases the volatility will
increase. if liquidity drops to almost zero it means there is no 
interest in this market ( not functional ) and becomes dead
market. generally the lower the liquidity the easier it gets 
to move it but too low liquidity will not move the market at 
all. the proper definition is lowest liquidity at highest interest 
make moving price the easiest  ( interest meaning total number 
of participants ). if you try trading the stock with the size 
much higher than average liquidity allows for a given time 
frame you will have trouble getting in and getting out
in most cases without moving the price. sometime though
trading large size will get you better execution since market
makers are looking for large size to execute against. sometimes
you can have them pay for larger liquidity by bidding or 
offering large size but outside of the market since large
traders can sacrifice a tick or two for the possibility of 
getting in or getting out in size.
so large size sometimes attracts large size but sometimes 
can induce panic.
and...
there is always a trade off. in highly liquid stocks you can 
get in easily but they don't move much...
in lower liquidity stocks it's hard to get in but they move 
well... :-) so there is no easy way... 
on top of that market markers constantly compete with 
traders for liquidity and induce liquidity in there favor.
there is fierce competition for liquidity in every market.
the key is trading is to get a good fill fast...

and as a final though, even the most efficient market today 
which is Naz only about 1/4 or less of all passive orders placed 
on inside bid ask get executed... the rest go unfilled.
for active orders it's the other way around.
it's even worse for other markets and the pits.
so even the best market is only about 50% efficient at best
and in reality it's less than that.

bilo.