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The inability to shutdown properly seems to plague ALL of Microsoft's OS's.
- John
-----Original Message-----
From: stuart a. miller [mailto:sunsetisles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 8:01 AM
To: fritz@xxxxxxxx; Omega-List
Cc: Bilo Selhi
Subject: Re: TS delays quotes in Win98 and ME, but not Win2000
I have been using Win2k SP1 for some time, and I have not had a OS crash
yet! I have not yet found a limit to the number of applications that I can
run simultaneously, or, that degrade performance. It is noticeably more
stable than WinNT 4.0 with its blue screen of death etc.
On one of my computers, however, I ran into the problem of Win2K hanging on
shutdown. That is, after all is saved, the machine does not automatically
shut off,
or, at my option, re-boot. The Microsoft Knowledge Base has a solution for
this
problem, but the cure is so laborious as to be worse than the sickness. I
just power
down and re-start. (Apparently, Whistler will provide a driver and device
installation rollback feature which will allow you to easily identify
the miscreant causing the hangup).
Stu
Stuart A. Miller
Tel: 954-438-0577
Fax: 917-464-8997
EMail: spooz2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
sunsetisles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Fritz" <fritz@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Omega-List" <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Bilo Selhi" <citadel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: TS delays quotes in Win98 and ME, but not Win2000
> > wow!!!
> > i was just getting ready to buy a 1G system as
> > i was having the same memory problem...
> > now, may be all i need is win 2000 or NT...
>
> In case anybody else has missed this message:
>
> Windows 95 ***IS NOT*** a suitable platform for professional trading,
> nor for many other kinds of mission-critical applications. It is a
> pretty face on top of DOS, and carries all the 16-bit single-tasking
> resource-lossage limitations of DOS. Windows 98 is a lightly dressed-
> up version of W95, with all the same limitations. Windows ME is,
> guess what, a pretty version of Windows 98 with many options REMOVED.
> Fred Langa calls it "Windows 98 with training wheels."
>
> Windows 95, 98, and ME are OK for running Quicken or Excel or
> Solitaire or things like that, but **NOT NOT NOT** for a monster
> resource-inhaler like TS2k or TS Pro.
>
> I repeat: if you're running TS2k or TS Pro on W9x or Win ME, you are
> shooting yourself in the foot. You are asking for trouble because
> your OS is incapable of handling the load you're putting on it.
>
> Is this getting through yet???? :-)
>
> If Windows is a car, 95/98/ME are annual models of a pretty sportscar
> that, under the hood, has a rubber-band engine and wooden wheels.
>
> Windows NT has nothing in common with 95/98/ME except appearances.
> They jacked up the hot-looking sportscar body, ripped out everything
> underneath it, and replaced it with a 428 Hemi and Yoko racing tires.
>
> NT is a *REAL* operating system, designed from the ground up with
> resource management features &etc that W9x can only try to fake. It
> is very solid and very reliable. I've been running TS4 (and usually
> 8-10 other apps like IE5, Visual Studio, Excel, MS Word, Pegasus
> mailer, Xnews newsreader, etc etc) for two years now, and in that
> time I have had ONE problem when NT got confused and required a
> reboot. I've had many times when **TS** got itself hosed and could
> only be fixed with a reboot, but that's not NT's fault. NT has NEVER
> EVER crashed or hung on me in 2 years of hard daily use.
>
> Windows 2000 is the next-generation NT, like Win 98 is the next-gen
> Win 95. They took the NT guts and improved them. From what I'm
> hearing, they did an excellent job.
>
> NT and W2k have REAL resource managers that can handle things
> properly when an ill-behaved application (can you say TradeStation?)
> mismanages its resources. With W9x, lost resources will toast your
> entire system. With NT or W2k, at worst it will mess up the
> application that can't clean up after itself.
>
> If you are trying to TRADE on W95, 98, or ME, I would **STRONGLY**
> recommend that you move to Windows 2000 as SOON as possible.
>
> If you stay on W9x, you can count on continued crashes, memory
> problems, lockups, etc., *especially* if you are running TS2k or TS
> Pro. Many of these problems will be unexplainable and non-
> repeatable. You will continue to fight invisible computer demons as
> long as you insist on using the wrong tool for the job.
>
> Furthermore, you will HAVE to move to W2k or its successors
> eventually, because Win ME is the *LAST* release in the W9x line.
> Microsoft is finally going to shoot the dead horse and move
> everything over to the NT-based platform. The next Windows release,
> called "Whistler," is essentially the W2k OS with some of the Win ME
> toys grafted on top. The Win 9x / Win ME guts will be gone forever,
> and good riddance.
>
> I haven't moved to W2k yet, because NT is very solid. When W2k has
> gone through 4-5 service packs I'll move over, but what I have now is
> so reliable that I see no reason to move to an OS that is still
> fairly young. But W2k, even in its initial releases, was FAR better
> and more solid than any of the W9x family. If I was on W9x now, I'd
> move to W2k rather than going through the NT side-trip.
>
> Moving to W2k will be a major undertaking, no question. But so is
> trying to run TS2k/TS Pro on W9x system, isn't it? Once you've
> moved, you will be *amazed* at how many of your former problems just
> disappear.
>
> > let's do that? so that we could figure out if there is really a
> > memory problems or need better hardware...
> > this is very important as we should know what hardware an OS we
> > need for the job.
>
> Other people have done this already. We've had lots of people post
> on this list that their TS2k problems disappeared when they moved
> from W9x to NT or W2k.
>
> I'd bet your current hardware is good enough. You just need to put a
> decent OS on it.
>
> Gary
>
>
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