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Below is an exerpt from www.egoups.com privacy policy I just copied. - I'm
sure with just a little effort we could find a site that does not require
this information, request additional personal info, run contests and
promotions, send us unsolicited email, or target us with advertising.
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Privacy policy
1. What personally identifiable information is collected from you?
eGroups collects information in a variety of ways from different parts of
the Service.
Some information is gathered when you register. During registration, eGroups
asks for your email address, date of birth, gender and country of residence.
While only this information is required to use the Service, the more
information that you provide (and the more accurate it is), the better we
are able to customize your experience. In addition, when the service is
used, we retain your IP address for some period of time.
>From time to time, we may ask you for personal information, including (but
not limited to) when you enter a contest or promotion sponsored by eGroups
or when you subscribe to eLerts. If you contact eGroups, we may keep a
record of that correspondence. eGroups also occasionally asks users to
complete surveys that we use for research purposes. All other information
gathered is optional and is used to publish your member profile for other
members of your community to know more about you, and to better target the
advertising to your interests.
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Kimberly
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Wynne [mailto:tradewynne@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:18 PM
To: citadel@xxxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Proposal about a new "Systems Only" e-mail list / user
group...
Bilo:
It sounded so good, I was so gungho, and it was so easy, I just went ahead
(sucked out the idea) and set up a list....
http://www.egroups.com/group/systemtrader
>taken to insure the proper security, no software vendors >allowed,no
>brokers, ctas and other individuals that are >prone to sucking out ideas,
>i.e no idiots that can turn >around and start selling it no hotmail.com
>addresses
And then I read down and I realized I was "a person prone to sucking out
ideas" on four of the five counts mentioned above....well, at least you can
skip the background check on me: my prints are on file with the NFA and my
real name is:
Bill (AKA William) Wynne
Bill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>From: "Bilo Selhi" <citadel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Code List" <code-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Omega List"
><omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Proposal about a new "Systems Only" e-mail list / user group...
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:39:04 -0400
>
>i have a proposal for some omega and code list members
>to create a new list that will focus on trading systems only.
>
>here is the outline:
>- i have absolutely nothing against both lists. they are great
>but the problems are i think that there are a lot posts that are
>repeating, most posts are trivial and not a lot of posts about systems
>because people are reluctant to post or open up due to sensitivity
>of material so we can take it one step further.
>
>- the new list will focus on trading systems and trading models only,
>bouncing and exchanging ideas, discussing personal experience with
>system design, participate in joint system design projects, etc.,
>taking apart and improving existing systems, etc.
>
>- no other posts such as programming in general ( how to
>code this or that ), no data feed questions, no bitching about
>bugs, no "help me program this", no installation issues, no
>market predictions, no discretionary trading posting,
>no newbie questions, just pure systems theory math and the code.
>
>- no particular choice of platform , we can use TS or TW
>or whatever. the main thing is the ideas. the implementation let's
>leave that out to ourselves unless it's something complex. TS could
>be used as a "common language platform".
>
>if we get into it seriously we can also go deeper , so
>to speak, that would be:
>- we can discuss advanced trading models,
>what needs to be done, how to do it, all the good stuff about the
>systems. the result might be working on the system design project
>with maybe 5-10 individuals contributing to the common goal
>which would be "decent tradable system(s)".
>
>- now, i know people are going to be sensitive about posting
>some stuff or "opening up so to speak" including me first ( i am very
>concerned about this issue and probably more paranoid about that than
>the rest of you ) so some measures could be
>taken to insure the proper security, no software vendors allowed,
>no brokers, ctas and other individuals that are prone to sucking out ideas,
>i.e no idiots that can turn around and start selling it
>no hotmail.com addresses or yahoo.com, may be by invitation only,
>if necessary we can profile every one that's on the list,
>or do background verification to insure the "safe working place"
>so to speak. if this is too strict then we can set the security
>requirements
>as needed.
>
>- we can make that mail list secure, not allowing anybody else to view the
>posts.some safe place where we "the brains" can get together and speak
>freely about the best ideas about system design without feeling that
>someone
>could go hind your back and steal your best stuff... the main thing is to
>keep the "trader" type individuals on the list and keep "seller" type
>individuals
>off the list.
>
>- we can outline a project ( not just ramble about systems ) and see if
>we can work on making a good tradable system. we'll keep working
>on it the right way, i.e. study, design and implementation. the result
>would
>be a working tradable system that we can then trade only for our own
>accounts. should the project be successful we'll take it one step further
>by
>enforcing the "not for sale, lease, or institutional use" rule "for
>personal
>use
>only" rule thru NDAs, etc... that's only if we get into something that is
>of serious value. otherwise we'll just juggle ideas, do some soul searching
>on systems, etc.
>
>- we'll need some brain power and the experience, so the preference would
>be
>given to individuals that have background in either in trading, math or
>programming. i mean all we need is 5-10 sharp guys and
>we got the list started
>- e-groups ( or similar type ) would probably be the logical choice since
>it
>allows secure environment and ease of use...
>
>if you think this idea is a good one, drop me an e-mail. i will see how
>much interest is generated and then we'll see if it's doable.
>
>bilo.
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