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Robert,
belated thanks for your well-researched tongue-in-cheek post.
A recent article in TechWeb
www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK20000522S0053
states that "In a survey of major companies, the Standish Group found that
Java beat out C++ for the first time as the language of choice for critical
applications. When asked about standards adoption, respondents in the same
survey ranked Enterprise JavaBeans, the Java component standard, second
behind Open Database Connectivity, while ActiveX and COM+, Microsoft's
component standard, tied for sixth place, says executive VP Karen Boucher."
Confirms your findings quite well, doesn't it?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hodge [mailto:r-hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 19:20
To: [ tradergirl ]; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx; John Machtinger
Subject: RE: ATT:Tradergirl!! (LINUX DOWNLOAD $0)
Quick search on my local IT jobsite (main one in UK)
Number of hits for search of:
Java 8706
C++ 8783
Perl 2514
VB 6200
MySQL 61
PHP 244
Excel 612
EJB 723 (Enterprise Javabeans [Java's server side technology (like MTS)]
MTS 524
Now I see your point - most of the world has abandoned Java - Java is
dying - yes I see it now...
How stupid of me not to understand the TRUE WAY...
Yes, now I believe...the light has entered my brain...I am free!
Dumping all my Java and VB skills right now, today...
Must follow the Perl, MySQL, PHP way...
Must follow...
Must follow...
Delerious with the new religion...
R
-----Original Message-----
From: [ tradergirl ] [mailto:tradergirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 16 May 2000 20:37
To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx; John Machtinger
Subject: Re: ATT:Tradergirl!! (LINUX DOWNLOAD $0)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Machtinger" <jmach@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: ATT:Tradergirl!! (LINUX DOWNLOAD $0)
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, M. Simms wrote:
>
> > A well-founded concern.
> > But 3 things are happening to lessen this problem:
> > 1) Java 1.3 "Java 3" is imminent and beta tests are showing 200-300%
> > performance increases !!!
>
> Two questions from an ignorant bystander (of which I consider myself to
> be fortunate in this particular debate): :D
>
> 1. Is Java designed to be downloaded to a client computer every time an
> application is run? For a web site applet, I understand the logic, but
> for an application like a word processor, it seems like a huge waste of
> bandwith and time. Are there plans to write applications in Java that you
> buy at the store on CD-ROM just like other software?
Java can run as a something that loads into a browser, and as like an
application
in the background with a web interace ontop of it. It is a huge waste
either way,
and the problem with these Java-freaks is that they think I really want to
use Java
and upgrade my hardware to the point where their software becomes
acceptable.
I don't. I hate Java, just like it is useless on the web (we've all seen
just how utterly
slow and useless it really is), it is also useless for backend. Something
that is
100k in C, will be 3 megabytes with Java.
> 2. If not, then why is it solely an interpretive language? Why not have
> a compiler for each platform it runs on, and compile it?
Java is really not a debate anymore. They lost the battle, these two that
are
talking about it, are like holding onto it. Most of the world has moved
into
PHP, MySQL, Linux, C, Perl, and get something working nicely with some
sort of combination of them. It is so funny, they honestly believe that
Java
can be used for database technology, because they have never explored
something like MySQL, and its unreal speed.
Ask them if Java is truly scaleable -- and what this means, is can it
operate
under a load of 10,000 users effectively as 300,000. And the answer is
NO, Java cannot. Does anyone realize that Yahoo! gets 367 million page
views per day?
You know what it runs off?
FREE BSD (Unix)
No Java anywhere. Same with Amazon.com, and the rest of them. You know
what webserver they use? APACHE. Free web server.
See the goal is not to make money on software, it is to put the pieces
together
to effectively create an information society and set of businesses that are
not
dependent on one company, or one specialized set of programmers.
Java is garbage. Pure and simple. These guys think small, because they
don't use their brains. They have no conceptual perspective on tomorrows
platforms and networking, otherwise they wouldn't be stepping us into a slow
growth curve with their junk.
Java should be banned. It is THAT bad, it is THAT useless.
> Best,
>
> John
>
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