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I think it boils down to what a company advertises their product will do.
If it won't do they say it will (which it doesn't currently) then that's
fraud. But the burden of proof is on you. If you can't use it the way
they advertise that's fraud too. If they make it do what they claim it can
then they don't owe you jack after the sale unless they said (in writing i
would think) they would. What I want to know is where does the line of
fraud get drawn when the product works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't ?
-----Original Message-----
From: PPetersen [SMTP:hotair003@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 9:58 PM
To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: WHEN WILL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM OF EXPORTING THE DATA ON SEVERAL
DISKS!!!!!!!!
Hello everyone:
Coming from the realm of manufacturing of tangible goods I can't imagine
nor have I ever heard of a "value producer" or " non-value producer" I have
heard and been subject to Canadian value tax but I doubt if that is app
licable.
For the benefit of the Omega Man by any manufacturing ethic Omega is not
released of responsibility for product integrity simply because they deal
in the world of intellectual property. If they were not charging for such
services, yes, there is no basis for complaint but that is not the case.
Consumers are charged high fees
which allow them to voice their opinion of the product and hold the
manufacturer to some level of standard. Omega has not been altruistic and
released to the world their software or the polio vaccine for which all of
humanity is grateful. It is a software program that we have all paid for
and have the right by any
manufacturing or consumer standard, intellectual or not, to expect
performance.
> lease note: I do not say that you may not make requests. What I say is
that the value
> producer, by virtue of his production, has not incurred a debt to you,
has not incurred an
> obligation to you, does not owe any more production to you. So you may
request, yes, but
> you may not, you have no right to, make *demands*.
>
Get real!!! They are paid for this quote unquote value, and by their own
admission will not give the value freely. Once compensated for something
one is obligated to produce the product or article paid for. No amount of
legalease caveats absolve them of the responsibilty.
Paula
manufacturer and consumer
editorial@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> -- Gary wrote:
> > Omega's firm belief in Omega Man's "tough shit,
> > you bought it, now go away" attitude is,
> > I believe, what will ruin them.
>
> This is not my "attitude". My point, the point which you and others on
this list refuse to accept, the point which I have been making on this list
for the last two years, is as follows:
>
> Omega is a value producer. They have produced something. The
complainers, the bashers, the demanders, have produced nothing. How easy
it is to complain! And how hard it is to produce great things of value!
>
> In any contest between a value producer and a non-producer, the value
producer always wins. If anything, it is the non-producer who deserves to
be the brunt of the bashing and complaining. But in a world turned
upside-down, it is the producer who is bashed. Why? Because he is good -
because he has produced something!
>
> Please note: I do not say that you may not make requests. What I say is
that the value producer, by virtue of his production, has not incurred a
debt to you, has not incurred an obligation to you, does not owe any more
production to you. So you may request, yes, but you may not, you have no
right to, make *demands*.
>
> Philippe's letter was in the form of a demand. Then, in addition, he
attempted to blackmail Omega by forwarding his comments to this list. I
know a black hat when I see one. And I will call the black hat out, every
time.
>
> The Omega Man
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