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From: Gerald Marisch <gm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: LEARNING. Let's kill all the lawyers ...


quite legal, most of this 'stiffing'

BBC report :-
<UK companies are being forced into paying out tens of
             thousands of pounds in a software scam known as
             stiffing. The term is used for the sharp practices of
             computer companies who overcharge their business
             customers.
                           Unscrupulous software suppliers have
                           been taking advantage of software
                           licence agreements to trick
                           customers out of anything from
                           £10,000 to £100,000 plus.
                           There is nothing illegal about it - some
             of the world's largest software companies have been
             doing it to some of the biggest companies in the world.
             Unexpected bills
             IT departments are landed with huge and entirely
             unforeseen bills from the suppliers of office software for
             allegedly infringing the small print in software licence
             agreements. Users are told that they must stump up the
             cash or forfeit their right to use crucial software.
             The problem lies with 'third-party software' or software
             which has been sold on to companies who did not write
             it. It is further licensed - and not sold - to users under
             very specific terms.
                                 When the software supplier
                                 alleges that the customer is
                                 getting use of software above
                                 and beyond the terms under
                                 which it was licensed, they
                                 have been stiffed.
                                 "If it doesn't say in the
                                 licence you can do it, then
                                 you probably can't" explained
                                 managing editor of Computer
                                 Weekly magazine, Karl
                                 Schneider.
                                 The bills may start arriving
             when a company restructures or is involved in a merger.
             Geoff Petherick, chief executive of UK Computer
             Measurement Group (UKCMG) said that he has heard of
             one company being charged an incredible £1.6m "just for
             changing names."
             But it can also fall prey for something as simple as
             loading its software onto new hardware, or allowing
             contractors access to the software.
             'Stamp Out Stiffing'
             Computer Weekly has been leading the 'Stamp Out
             Stiffing' campaign to draw attention to the practice. Karl
             Schneider says that nearly a third of businesses have
             been stiffed by a software supplier. A Computer Weekly
             survey shows how much money stiffed companies have
             been losing:
                  59% lost less than £10,000
                  20% lost between £10,000 and £100,000
                  1% lost between £101,000 and £250,000
                  2% were stiffed for an incredible £250,000-plus
             Geoff Petherick attributes the scams in part to bad
             management, but believes companies are being stung
             for not examining software licence agreements
             thoroughly enough.
             "If you badly need that software, frequently a licence is
             signed very quickly. It may be particular software that
             you need for which that is the only supplier on the
             market," he said.
             In many cases licences have been drawn up several
             years ago and incorporate contracts entirely
             inappropriate for today's marketplace.
                           Those that go to a new software
                           supplier as a result of stiffing attempts
                           can expect to incur heavy costs -
                           some £8m in the case of one major
                           company according to Karl
                           Schneider.
             John Lister, IT director of the supermarket chain Asda,
             explained how some software suppliers have been
             making money for fixing the Millennium bug in existing
             software.
             "They tell you that they're not going to give you a
             millennium-compliant version, and then offer you a new
             product running into several hundreds of thousands of
             pounds." This is despite the company having an existing
             contract to maintain software and to ensure that it is
             bug-free.
             Mr Petherick, along with IT industry parliamentary lobby
             group Eurim, has called a special meeting next month to
             discuss the problem. In attendance will be
             representatives from the DTI and Cabinet Office. An
             investigation by the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) may also
             be in the offing.>
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