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I'd agree on CQG, having used it when I was trading for JPMorgan & Salomon
Bros for 6 years. Much better error-correction, pretty much every market you
could ever want.
The Internet product is actually not outrageously more expensive than, say
Signal online; I just got a quote. Where eSignal is $175 basic,
internet-based CQG is $395. Both then add the same exchange fees.
CQG language is OK for producing indicators but when I used it you couldn't
back-test systems like you can in TS. Shame they don't sort out a feed to TS
like FutureSource.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Forman [mailto:doug@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 18 May 1999 18:27
To: Mark Simms; LIZ MERRILL; lutz.mehlhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx;
omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: ASCTrend ; CQG's software and datafeed
ASCtrend's pricing is posted on their website at www.ablesys.com. ASCTrend
is now "leased" annually... last I checked, it was $1000-1500/yr (I
think... honestly have not paid much attention to exact pricing lately). I
got mine when it was available for permanent license and was significantly
less expensive.
******
CQG pricing is expensive compared to other "retail" services, but you truly
get what you pay for... good, fast, clean data, excellent software, and
superb, friendly customer assistance 24hrs/day during the trading week. The
best way to appreciate CQG is to use (any other provider) first :-)
Typical pricing ranges from $750-2000/mo (mine's currently $1818/mo). CQG's
monthly fee depends upon what services you choose (from a long list) as well
as several available integrated trading systems (i.e. Advanced GET/Tom
DeMark/Tom Joseph/Bill Williams/Cynthia Kase/etc). It's all available
month-to-month with no long-term contracts.
My first clue about CQG came from literally every futures trader I met, that
was trading as a business, was using CQG.
My second clue was when I visited my broker/FCM in downtown Chicago and
found CQG running on their desks.
If you're trading futures for a living, it's the way to go. Expensive, but
worth it... easy to pencil-out as a business expense if you're profitable
enough to live on your trading income (not to mention keeping 4 kids in
schools from grade school to college!!!). That said, it probably does not
make sense if you trade part-time, EOD, or are still developing a trading
system.
CQG also has about 2500 of the most active stocks online, and is adding more
real soon. That's good, since I want to start including stocks in my
trading later this year!
Doug
(my comments are my own, I get no rebate, incentive, referral, etc. from
ASCTrend, CQG, Omega, or anyone else... just in case you were
wondering....)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Simms [mailto:prosys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 10:00 AM
> To: LIZ MERRILL; doug@xxxxxxxxxxx; lutz.mehlhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx;
> omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: ASCTrend ; CQG's software and datafeed
>
>
> Can you comment on the pricing of the above services ??
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LIZ MERRILL [mailto:lizmerrillcboe@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 3:03 PM
> > To: doug@xxxxxxxxxxx; lutz.mehlhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: ASCTrend nothing but a fast stoch
> >
> >
> > >From: "Doug Forman" <doug@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: "Lutz Mehlhorn" <lutz.mehlhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Omega"
> > ><omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: RE: ASCTrend
> > >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:50:25 -0700
> > >
> > >I've been using ASCTrend since it was first released several years ago.
> > >
> > >It has proven to be an excellent confirming indicator when used with my
> > >other trading signals. The early version that I use provides two
> > >independent trending measurements, as well as coloring the
> price bars for
> > >up/down/no trend.
> > >
> > >As a position trader, the way I use ASCTrend is by creating a
> > workspace for
> > >each of the 16+ futures contracts which I trade. In each
> > workspace I have
> > >6
> > >charts... from left-to-right, top-to-bottom:
> > >
> > >Weekly ASCTrend2 Daily ASCTrend2 Hourly ASCTrend2
> > >Weekly ASCTrend3 Daily ASCTrend3 Hourly ASCTrend3
> > >
> > >(ASCTrend 2 is more conservative than ASCTrend 3, and they provide
> > >independent trend indications).
> > >
> > >By glancing at this screen, I can get a terrific dynamic
> "trend reading"
> > >for
> > >each contract, which I use primarily for determining exits.
> > >
> > >While I have some personal disagreement with ASCTrend's current
> > pricing and
> > >licensing policies, and have personally chosen NOT to upgrade
> > from version
> > >1.0x (the current version is 3.x), I do think it is an
> excellent trading
> > >tool, and I use it every day.
> > >
> > >(I should note that I use CQG for my primary data
> feed/charting/trading)
> > >
> > >Doug
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lutz Mehlhorn [mailto:lutz.mehlhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 6:41 AM
> > > > To: Omega
> > > > Subject: ASCTrend
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Listtrader,
> > > >
> > > > in searching for a good trend-indicator-System I found the ASCTrend
> > > >
> > > > www.ablesys.com
> > > >
> > > > It looks quite good also the awards are impressive.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone experience with this indicators, are they that acurat as
> > > > described?
> > > >
> > > > They cost a lot of money so I am very interesting in short
> > comments of
> > > > people who are using or who have unsed ASCTrend.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Happy Trading :-)
> > > >
> > > > Lutz
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >ASCTREND IS NOTHING MORE THAN A 9 PERIOD FAST STOCH, WHICH PAINTS
> > THE BAR GREEN WHEN STOCH CROSSES ABOVE 70 AND PAINTS THE BAR RED
> > WHEN IT CROSSES BELOW 30. THESE LEVELS ARE ADJUSTABLE BY SENSITIVITY
> > SETTINGS FROM USER. ALSO, ASC'S STOPS ARE AGAIN NOTHING MORE THAN
> > CHUCK LEBEAU'S YO YO EXIT. ASC IS GREATLY OVERPRICED, AND HAS MADE
> > IT'S PROMOTER MORE MONEY RISK FREE, THAN HE COULD HAVE EVER MADE
> > IF IT ALL POSSIBLE USING THE DUMB INDICATOR IN THE MARKET. ASC
> > SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRICED AT $25, AS ONE OF BRUCE BABCOCK'S SYSTEM'S.
> >
>
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