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At 02:56 AM 9/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Allan Kaminsky <allank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>God in the pits? God is my clearinghouse?
>
>What if the person on the other side of your trade is more pious than you?
>What if his (God forbid, her) God has more powerful juju than yours?

Obviously this person will have trouble trading.  He is too worried about
someone else's God.

BTW, pantheism doesnot work.  There can be only one God.

Charles Kaucher

You don't practice watching your opponent.
     You practice hitting your shots.
                  -- Stuart Appleby
                           Winner of the 1997 Honda Golf Classic



>Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 05:39:13 EDT
>From: Orphelin@xxxxxxx
>Dans un courrier daté du 05/09/98 23:03:31  ,  sheriff Chuck écrit :
>
><< 
> If any of you wonder what is the oldest recorded instance of a commodity
> trader you ought to check out Genesis 41.   The accumulation and
> distribution function of the market place has worked well for centuries.  
> 
> http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&search
> =&passage=Genesis+41
> >>
>Humm...and what's about slippage at this time ?
Slippage!  What about storage costs!

>It's always difficult, not to say impossible to discuss with a believer in
>anything, religion being the widest case spread over Earth.
>This does not hurt me, as I believe in nothing, with the exception of what
can
>be proved and tested by other people under the same conditions ( this is the
>basis of the scientific method, but it's not a belief once proven).
>Rethorist will say that I believe in science... Not exactly.

Pierre, you say you believe in nothing and yet go on to describe you belief
system.




>Religion is not disturbing unless it turns into proselytism.
>This fact is often obseved, because the believer has in essence a non
>scientific behaviour when speaking of his religion.
>
>Can you find any proof of any validity of any religion, excepted those
>provided by the believers ?
>No. Sacred text were written and transmitted by believers.
>Can you have a real proof that God exists beside what's above  ? No again.

Here is  a rational proof.

If God doesnot exist
	then God doesnot exist.
Then if God doesn't exist 
	then it is God who doesnot exist.
Therefore, God exists.

So much for rationalism.  
The proof or evidence of religion is when you have faith.  If you do not
have faith why do expect evidence?  For a trader to have a successful
system and not follow it is a perfect example who doesnot have faith in the
system to trade it and therefor, not the evidence in the form of an equity
curve.


>Can you expect to reproduce any miracle now ? No more.
I can't wait to hear what you think a miracle is;  you admitting that Omega
Research doesn't have control over software development?

>Can you expect to see the truth these days where modern technology (video,
>photography, movies..)could be able to defeat any kind of fairy tale ? No
>more. Unfortunately, the origin of modern religion is too far in the past to
>leave a substantial proof of their foundations.

Yet the scientific community struggles with this very problem. How did the
universe start and where is it going.  If you want to talk about fairy
tales let's talk science.  Theories change faster than people selling
trading systems.


>Can you admit that if God was existing, why appear 2000 years from now (y2k
>again!) for chistians, less for muslims, more for buddhist, not to speak of
>stoneages religions that we do not even  know.
>But nothing these days. Strange, is it not ? It could be so easy to speak on
>CNN.
The Clinton News Network has never been authoritative in US.  I merely
takes polls and reports on those polls and presents it as investigative
reporting.

>Have you asked to yourself why million of people have the same beliefs than
>yours regarding God's existence, characteristics, sacred law and books and
>that million of others have not the same, that all are claiming that they
know
>the truth and that it's impossible that so many people could be wrong at the
>same time on the same thread ?

There has to be someone to take the other side of the trade?


>What is annoying with believers it that they try to convert you to their
>beliefs.
>They are alway right because they believe, so if you do not, you are wrong
for
>them

 I couldn't agree with you more.  That is why people get so mad at you on
this list.  You always think you are right.

.
>They are able to build logical discurse  (like the one I'm responding to),
but
>a closer examination shows that it seems to be logical  only at a first
>glance.
>The techniques are well known and as old as the world is.
>They are able to interpret anything and turn irn it to their belief as an
>explanation.
>Centuries ago, the earth was the center of the universe for the religious
>people. And flat.

Yes, and Tradestation is a finely tuned trading platform...  Another
scientifically held position.

>None here will say the same now.
>At this time, all were ignorant, so the false belief was better than nothing.
>But it was nothing else than a false information.
>As soon as knowledge make progress, religions adapt (with delay) to survive,
>and forget their old beliefs.
>But they are so numerous that the task is impossible to do, and I have other
>things to focus on.

It is obvious your religious education has been stinted by your French
upbringing.


>In a nutshell, "to believe" is incompatible with "to doubt", and also with
>"to prove".

Pierre, you should stop trying to be God.  Does obedience really scare that
much?

>I'm a system trader and I believe in nothing, and never in  a trading system.
>I do not need to believe to trade (or exactly to let trade the system)
>I need proofs that it works. Not that it could work.
>Only that it will work.
>This is plain, this is simple and this is also difficult.

Then, if you don't believe the system will work, why do you trade it?
Let me guess....your not a trader!


Charles Kaucher

Psalm 19
          1The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the
work of his hands. 
          2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they
display knowledge. 
          3There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard....

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passag
e=Psalms+19&search=&showxref=yep&showfn=yep