[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Repeat Posting on ETS



PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

The following was posted here before, so disregard it unless you are new to
this list:



"Michael Mermer and some brokers have been promoting the ETS system lately.
It's only $25 to Futures Truth for a detailed report so I checked it out.
Since late October 1997, performance has been good. For the short period
before that, real time performance was reasonably good on the daily bar, but
poor on daytrading. 

In total, for the 9 month period ended December 31, 1997, it has been
profitable on the S&P, but with high drawdown. However, you really need to
compare performance on the S&P to that of buy and hold during the same
period, when evaluating mechanical S&P trading systems. 

Futures Truth has only tracked this system since March 31, 1997. They said
before that "this system was previously available but has some subjectivity
in the rules." Mermer assured the list via Deming recently that it's all
mechanical, words you can now hold him to, to produce and publish a proper
backtest. Trading 101.

Before getting rubbery reading the broker ads and thinking about how much
money you are going to make on the ETS system, read the recent post by Tom
Cathey on "Futures Truth and System Promotion".  It contains really valuable
comments on the subject of Futures Truth tracked systems. I've watched them
closely myself for over 7 years and repeatedly found exactly the same thing
Tom mentions. Some in the industry refer to this as the 'the revolving
door'. Just because brokers say it's ranked top ten by Futures Truth,
doesn't really mean that much. Usually it's just a 'short term blip'.
Especially with mechanical S&P500 daytrader systems.  They tend to break
quickly and not stand up at all over extended tests, needing periodic
adjustment ( read re-optimization) of the parameters. 

Before purchasing or trading ETS for daytrading the S&P 500, or any other
market, request that the vendor or the broker produce a detailed extended
backtest, for at least a five year period before March 31, 1997. There is
really no valid excuse for not producing it, unless there is something to
hide.  Otherwise, it's just another sucker's game, plain and simple. 

The same trading rules that are promoted as working so well in TS based ETS
after March 31, 1997 must have also worked before then, ............NO?

Never justify use of an S&P daytrader system based on only the recent few
months performance. That is essentially what the public is being asked to do
with a plan to daytrade the ETS system based on the Futures Truth report.
Before bolting in and trading it, ask for a 'complete' back test. You'll be
glad you did.
 
Here's the highlights from the Futures Truth published report:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Trading S&P 500 on the daily bar:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Drawdown is high and performance is well below a buy and hold comparison.
**See the buy and hold benchmark below, and compare profitability & maximum
drawdown.

March 31,1997 to current date of report December 31, 1997: Net Profit of
$32,375 with Max Drawdown of $39,825. This compares to $108,790 and $36,245
on a Buy and Hold. Between August 97 and December 97 ETS lost $39,525 on
daily bars, giving back more than half of what it made in the earlier part
of the year. 

Trading the currencies - the JY, SF, & BP:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It's a NET LOSER on currencies during the reporting period. It lost
$7,137.50 on the BP, Lost $2,450 on the SF, made $1,787.50 on the JY. The
Win Ratio was 33%.

Trading Bonds:
+++++++++++++

It made $8,325 with a max drawdown of $3,612.50 with a 44.% win ratio.
BUT....$7143 of the total gain is from only ONE TRADE!  #1 in bonds!

Daytrading the S&P 500:
++++++++++++++++++++++

Published results are available from Futures Truth from March 31, 1997 to
December 31 1997. 

On the first 39 trades it LOST $6,400 net. Then it made $49,000 on one big
trade during the crash in October 1997. For the 9 months ended December 31,
1997 it made a total of $57,237 with a Max Drawdown was $35,725.  But for
the big outlier and the drawdown, at first that seems pretty good, until you
compare those results to the Buy and Hold benchmark below.** If you deduct
the one big winner as an outlier, it made only $8,337.50. Based on the
reported drawdown, you need about a +-US$50,000 account to daytrade it.

Whenever a short term mechanical trading system gets a disproportionate part
of the total gain from one trade, you have to be very careful with the model
and discount those results from the analysis. It is a good basic practice to
just toss out the biggest winner and look at the rest of the trades, because
the realistic expectation of average trade (win & loss) is one of the most
important elements to look for in a system.
_____________________________________________________________
Get the full report from Futures Truth and judge for yourself. Better still,
get the 'complete' multi-year quarter by quarter backtest from the broker or
vendor. It will contain a much more complete story than the Futures Truth
report.

**Here's the comparative Buy and Hold benchmark for the 9 month period reported.

 
Buy & Hold  $SPX-Daily   03/31/97 - 12/31/97	Rolls quarterly for comparison		 

	Performance Summary:  All Trades		 

Total net profit	$ 108790.00	Open position P/L	$  -2030.00
Gross profit    	$ 108790.00	Gross loss      	$      0.00

Total # of trades	       3	Percent profitable	     100%
Number winning trades	       3	Number losing trades	       0

Largest winning trade	$  44520.00	Largest losing trade	$      0.00
Average winning trade	$  36263.33	Average losing trade	$      0.00
Ratio avg win/avg loss	     100.00	Avg trade(win & loss)	$  36263.33

Max consec. winners	       3	Max consec. losers	       0
Avg # bars in winners	      56	Avg # bars in losers	       0

Max intraday drawdown	$ -36245.00		 
Profit factor   	     100.00	Max # contracts held	       1
Account size required	$  48245.00	Return on account	     225%




 

Michael Paauwe
mpaauwe@xxxxxxxxxx