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I disagree strongly.
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<SNIP>

> If a system is being constructed to make trading automatic because the
person,
> "can't" then this is a reflection to me of how he has constructed his own
mind.
>How can a successful system trade where the creater of it cannot?

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Here's one of my system I created over the last several weeks. It uses a
$30 commision,
$125 slippage and $12,500 margin. NO stops. Of course, this is all
hypothetical. NDX's big point value changed from $1 to $100 so it can act
as a proxy for a continous futures contract.

CyclicalMomntmVr28.1  NDX-60 min   10/02/95 - 03/16/98			 

	Performance Summary:  All Trades		 

Total net profit	$  53713.00	Open position P/L	$      0.00
Gross profit    	$  65917.00	Gross loss      	$ -12204.00

Total # of trades	      56	Percent profitable	      59%
Number winning trades	      33	Number losing trades	      23

Largest winning trade	$   8860.00	Largest losing trade	$  -1496.00
Average winning trade	$   1997.48	Average losing trade	$   -530.61
Ratio avg win/avg loss	       3.76	Avg trade(win & loss)	$    959.16

Max consec. winners	      10	Max consec. losers	       5
Avg # bars in winners	      18	Avg # bars in losers	       6

Max intraday drawdown	$  -3387.00		 
Profit factor   	       5.40	Max # contracts held	       1
Account size required	$  15887.00	Return on account	     338%


	Performance Summary:  Long Trades		 

Total net profit	$  30846.00	Open position P/L	$      0.00
Gross profit    	$  35485.00	Gross loss      	$  -4639.00

Total # of trades	      28	Percent profitable	      71%
Number winning trades	      20	Number losing trades	       8

Largest winning trade	$   6845.00	Largest losing trade	$  -1496.00
Average winning trade	$   1774.25	Average losing trade	$   -579.88
Ratio avg win/avg loss	       3.06	Avg trade(win & loss)	$   1101.64

Max consec. winners	       9	Max consec. losers	       4
Avg # bars in winners	      19	Avg # bars in losers	       7

Max intraday drawdown	$  -2736.00		 
Profit factor   	       7.65	Max # contracts held	       1
Account size required	$  15236.00	Return on account	     202%


	Performance Summary:  Short Trades		 

Total net profit	$  22867.00	Open position P/L	$      0.00
Gross profit    	$  30432.00	Gross loss      	$  -7565.00

Total # of trades	      28	Percent profitable	      46%
Number winning trades	      13	Number losing trades	      15

Largest winning trade	$   8860.00	Largest losing trade	$  -1493.00
Average winning trade	$   2340.92	Average losing trade	$   -504.33
Ratio avg win/avg loss	       4.64	Avg trade(win & loss)	$    816.68

Max consec. winners	       5	Max consec. losers	       4
Avg # bars in winners	      16	Avg # bars in losers	       6

Max intraday drawdown	$  -3502.00		 
Profit factor   	       4.02	Max # contracts held	       1
Account size required	$  16002.00	Return on account	     143%


CyclicalMomntmVr28.1  NDX-60 min   10/02/95 - 03/16/98							 

Date    	Time	Type	Cnts	  Price	Signal Name	  Entry P/L	 Cumulative

10/25/95	10:30am	Sell	1	  589.21		          	          
10/27/95	10:30am	SExit	1	  585.69		$    197.00	$    197.00
11/09/95	10:30am	Buy	1	  609.65		          	          
11/13/95	10:30am	LExit	1	  614.92		$    372.00	$    569.00
11/22/95	 3:30pm	Sell	1	  570.03		          	          
11/27/95	10:30am	SExit	1	  583.02		$  -1454.00	$   -885.00
12/05/95	 1:30pm	Sell	1	  594.74		          	          
12/06/95	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  589.98		$    321.00	$   -564.00
12/12/95	10:30am	Sell	1	  589.22		          	          
12/13/95	 1:30pm	SExit	1	  589.40		$   -173.00	$   -737.00
12/14/95	11:30am	Sell	1	  578.45		          	          
12/18/95	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  548.04		$   2886.00	$   2149.00
12/21/95	10:30am	Sell	1	  575.66		          	          
12/21/95	11:30am	SExit	1	  578.54		$   -443.00	$   1706.00
01/10/96	 2:30pm	Buy	1	  535.50		          	          
01/15/96	10:30am	LExit	1	  549.38		$   1233.00	$   2939.00
02/12/96	12:30pm	Buy	1	  626.97		          	          
02/12/96	12:30pm	LExit	1	  626.97		$   -155.00	$   2784.00
03/11/96	12:30pm	Buy	1	  604.32		          	          
03/12/96	12:30pm	LExit	1	  597.34		$   -853.00	$   1931.00
03/12/96	12:30pm	Sell	1	  597.34		          	          
03/12/96	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  599.02		$   -323.00	$   1608.00
04/10/96	10:30am	Buy	1	  617.32		          	          
04/11/96	10:30am	LExit	1	  603.91		$  -1496.00	$    112.00
05/06/96	 2:30pm	Buy	1	  660.93		          	          
05/07/96	 3:30pm	LExit	1	  661.71		$    -77.00	$     35.00
07/16/96	 4:15pm	Buy	1	  614.25		          	          
07/19/96	12:30pm	LExit	1	  628.62		$   1282.00	$   1317.00
07/19/96	12:30pm	Sell	1	  628.62		          	          
07/19/96	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  633.05		$   -598.00	$    719.00
08/15/96	11:30am	Buy	1	  675.14		          	          
08/15/96	12:30pm	LExit	1	  677.45		$     76.00	$    795.00
08/29/96	10:30am	Sell	1	  676.37		          	          
08/30/96	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  663.54		$   1128.00	$   1923.00
09/03/96	 2:30pm	Buy	1	  667.61		          	          
09/05/96	10:30am	LExit	1	  664.61		$   -455.00	$   1468.00
09/05/96	10:30am	Sell	1	  664.61		          	          
09/06/96	12:30pm	SExit	1	  663.34		$    -28.00	$   1440.00
09/06/96	12:30pm	Buy	1	  663.34		          	          
09/23/96	11:30am	LExit	1	  733.34		$   6845.00	$   8285.00
09/27/96	 3:30pm	Buy	1	  745.05		          	          
09/30/96	 3:30pm	LExit	1	  741.72		$   -488.00	$   7797.00
10/11/96	11:30am	Buy	1	  760.84		          	          
10/16/96	10:30am	LExit	1	  767.76		$    537.00	$   8334.00
12/17/96	 2:30pm	Buy	1	  810.94		          	          
12/20/96	12:30pm	LExit	1	  834.38		$   2189.00	$  10523.00
12/20/96	12:30pm	Sell	1	  834.38		          	          
12/24/96	 1:30pm	SExit	1	  835.40		$   -257.00	$  10266.00
12/27/96	11:30am	Sell	1	  838.21		          	          
12/27/96	12:30pm	SExit	1	  840.52		$   -386.00	$   9880.00
01/17/97	10:30am	Buy	1	  882.83		          	          
01/24/97	10:30am	LExit	1	  912.14		$   2776.00	$  12656.00
01/30/97	10:30am	Buy	1	  903.94		          	          
02/03/97	 2:30pm	LExit	1	  920.11		$   1462.00	$  14118.00
02/10/97	11:30am	Sell	1	  884.34		          	          
02/12/97	10:30am	SExit	1	  879.50		$    329.00	$  14447.00
02/14/97	12:30pm	Sell	1	  898.90		          	          
02/18/97	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  897.53		$    -18.00	$  14429.00
03/03/97	 3:30pm	Buy	1	  854.92		          	          
03/05/97	 1:30pm	LExit	1	  863.17		$    670.00	$  15099.00
03/10/97	 1:30pm	Buy	1	  846.29		          	          
03/12/97	10:30am	LExit	1	  842.46		$   -538.00	$  14561.00
03/12/97	10:30am	Sell	1	  842.46		          	          
03/14/97	11:30am	SExit	1	  846.78		$   -587.00	$  13974.00
03/18/97	 4:15pm	Sell	1	  827.57		          	          
03/20/97	10:30am	SExit	1	  805.95		$   2007.00	$  15981.00
03/27/97	 2:30pm	Sell	1	  830.84		          	          
04/01/97	 4:15pm	SExit	1	  796.79		$   3250.00	$  19231.00
04/15/97	 4:15pm	Sell	1	  798.00		          	          
04/17/97	10:30am	SExit	1	  811.38		$  -1493.00	$  17738.00
06/18/97	12:30pm	Sell	1	  972.14		          	          
06/19/97	12:30pm	SExit	1	  979.98		$   -939.00	$  16799.00
06/24/97	 2:30pm	Buy	1	  975.06		          	          
06/25/97	 4:15pm	LExit	1	  979.22		$    261.00	$  17060.00
08/29/97	 1:30pm	Buy	1	 1078.30		          	          
08/29/97	 4:15pm	LExit	1	 1074.08		$   -577.00	$  16483.00
09/15/97	 2:30pm	Sell	1	 1091.09		          	          
09/16/97	12:30pm	SExit	1	 1095.38		$   -584.00	$  15899.00
09/16/97	12:30pm	Buy	1	 1095.38		          	          
09/18/97	10:30am	LExit	1	 1117.40		$   2047.00	$  17946.00
09/18/97	10:30am	Sell	1	 1117.40		          	          
09/18/97	10:30am	SExit	1	 1117.40		$   -155.00	$  17791.00
10/02/97	11:30am	Buy	1	 1108.61		          	          
10/06/97	12:30pm	LExit	1	 1127.14		$   1698.00	$  19489.00
10/22/97	 2:30pm	Sell	1	 1101.54		          	          
10/28/97	12:30pm	SExit	1	 1011.39		$   8860.00	$  28349.00
10/28/97	12:30pm	Buy	1	 1011.39		          	          
10/29/97	 4:15pm	LExit	1	 1030.08		$   1714.00	$  30063.00
10/29/97	 4:15pm	Sell	1	 1030.08		          	          
10/31/97	 1:30pm	SExit	1	 1017.28		$   1125.00	$  31188.00
10/31/97	 1:30pm	Buy	1	 1017.28		          	          
11/06/97	10:30am	LExit	1	 1040.29		$   2146.00	$  33334.00
11/10/97	 3:30pm	Sell	1	 1014.79		          	          
11/13/97	 3:30pm	SExit	1	 1000.08		$   1316.00	$  34650.00
11/13/97	 3:30pm	Buy	1	 1000.08		          	          
11/18/97	12:30pm	LExit	1	 1041.04		$   3941.00	$  38591.00
11/18/97	12:30pm	Sell	1	 1041.04		          	          
11/19/97	 4:15pm	SExit	1	 1039.06		$     43.00	$  38634.00
11/21/97	 2:30pm	Sell	1	 1053.01		          	          
11/25/97	 2:30pm	SExit	1	 1037.32		$   1414.00	$  40048.00
11/28/97	10:30am	Buy	1	 1049.37		          	          
12/02/97	12:30pm	LExit	1	 1059.72		$    880.00	$  40928.00
12/02/97	12:30pm	Sell	1	 1059.72		          	          
12/03/97	 3:30pm	SExit	1	 1059.44		$   -127.00	$  40801.00
12/05/97	11:30am	Buy	1	 1062.82		          	          
12/09/97	11:30am	LExit	1	 1065.24		$     87.00	$  40888.00
12/09/97	11:30am	Sell	1	 1065.24		          	          
12/15/97	 3:30pm	SExit	1	  988.13		$   7556.00	$  48444.00
12/26/97	 1:30pm	Buy	1	  954.07		          	          
12/31/97	 4:15pm	LExit	1	  990.83		$   3521.00	$  51965.00
02/02/98	10:30am	Buy	1	 1094.98		          	          
02/05/98	 3:30pm	LExit	1	 1114.01		$   1748.00	$  53713.00