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No problem, I see your points, good discussion.
--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "trendyindividual"
<gordon.inbox@xxxx> wrote:
> I don't agree there I'm afraid. When people are motivated and
> trained they often turn out to do an excellent job, contradicting
> anything a psychometric test may have predicted.
>
> Nobody is limited by the tiny set of assessments taken by a 10
> minute session if they don't want to be.
>
> I'm not sure what industry you work in (or did work in if you now
> trade full time), but surely you must have seen it so many times:
> the 'ideal' candidate for a job who's psychometrically suited and
> perfectly qualified for the job makes a total mess of it and the
> unqualified, psychometrically unsuited biff turns out to be a star.
>
> That's because a 10 minute assessment in a 'false' situation (i.e. a
> situation in which one would never work in reality - one's job
> rarely emtails answering 50 multiple choice questions every day) is
> a poor indicator of anything.
>
>
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > It may take 10 sessions with a trained psychologist to get an
> accurate
> > picture of someone, sure, but it takes a 10 minute interaction to
> > figure out what someone is NOT capable of doing/achieving,...
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "trendyindividual"
> > <gordon.inbox@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Personally I think the idea that a person can be accurately
> analysed
> > > in a 30 minute series of questions is ludicrous. It takes a
> trained
> > > psychologist many sessions to get anything approaching an
> accurate
> > > picture of someone.
> > >
> > > Simply put, our emotive responses go deeper than a few surface
> > > questions will reveal. We are the sum of an entire lifetime's
> events.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Sprunger"
> > > <tlsprunger@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Here is a link to a paper by Lo and Steenbarger.
> > > > "Fear and Greed in Financial Markets: A Clinical Study of Day-
> > > Traders"
> > > > http://web.mit.edu/alo/www/
> > > >
> > > > One of the conclusions was " Psychological traits derived from
> a
> > > > standardized personality inventory survey do not reveal any
> > > specific "trader
> > > > personality profile", raising the possibility that trading
> skills
> > > may not
> > > > necessarily be innate, and that different personality types
> may be
> > > able to
> > > > perform trading functions equally well after proper
> instruction
> > > and
> > > > practice."
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm... sounds like the whole Turtles experiment.
> > > >
> > > > So, if you are not an ENTJ, take heart.... But maybe you must
> be a
> > > day
> > > > trader??? ;>)
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "metastkuser" <andysmith_999@xxxx>
> > > > To: <equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:13 PM
> > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know, but that's a great question....
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "david"
> <dwei9361@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> "In fact, if you are not an ENTJ and struggling at trading,
> ask
> > > > > yourself if
> > > > >> trading is the right vocation for you."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So were all the turtles ENTJ ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dave
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > >> On Behalf Of trendyindividual
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 7:00 PM
> > > > >> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The trouble with any of these psychometric types of
> evaluation
> > > is
> > > > >> that they try to analyse the complexity of an individual in
> a
> > > few
> > > > >> 10s or 100s of questions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also, they only come up with certain averages from their
> tests -
> > > for
> > > > >> example, on average a successful trader might be a type 'A'
> > > > >> personality or whatever - but one will often find that the
> > > really
> > > > >> successful people in a lot of vocations defy the standard.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo"
> > > <teclogeo@xxxx>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > Usually, yes. But could also be free-thinking self-
> > > determination?
> > > > >> I just
> > > > >> > wouldn't put people with MBAs on any kind of pedestal,
> that's
> > > > >> all.a very
> > > > >> > significant number of leaders (political, social or
> business)
> > > did
> > > > >> not go
> > > > >> > "all the way" as far as formal education is concerned.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > _____
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > >> > On Behalf Of metastkuser
> > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:58 AM
> > > > >> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "good enough to apply but chose not to" -- apathy?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo"
> > > <teclogeo@xxxx>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > If 80% of your local "Ivy League" is ENTJ, then I am
> > > pleased not
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > be one.
> > > > >> > > No disrespect to them of course, but it's the make-up
> of the
> > > > >> other
> > > > >> > 20% that
> > > > >> > > would interest me. Or the make-up of the population
> that
> > > were
> > > > >> good
> > > > >> > enough to
> > > > >> > > apply but chose not to.!!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > _____
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > >> > > On Behalf Of Andrew Tomlinson
> > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:46 PM
> > > > >> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I wouldn't take it too seriously. I am an INFJ and had a
> > > > >> reasonably
> > > > >> > fruitful
> > > > >> > > career as a banker. Any organization needs a mix of
> people
> > > to
> > > > >> compete. I
> > > > >> > > suspect that you might find that different trading
> styles
> > > > >> appeood al to
> > > > >> > > different personality types (e.g. discretionary vs.
> > > systematic).
> > > > >> The
> > > > >> > > personality of a jazzed up day trader is very different
> > > from a
> > > > >> laid back
> > > > >> > > position trader.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Mind you, when I was in grad school (oriental studies)
> I did
> > > > >> find I had
> > > > >> > > nothing in common with the MBA students who kept trying
> to
> > > shake
> > > > >> my
> > > > >> > hand and
> > > > >> > > give me their business cards. Maybe its because they
> were
> > > all
> > > > >> ENTJs....
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Andrew
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > >> > > On Behalf Of metastkuser
> > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:34 PM
> > > > >> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Check your local Ivy League graduate biz school. 80% of
> the
> > > > >> class is
> > > > >> > ENTJ,
> > > > >> > > compared to 2% of the general population. Aside from
> making
> > > > >> great biz
> > > > >> > > leaders, from what I have read, ENTJs make great
> traders too
> > > > >> > > -- above and beyond any other MB type. In fact, if you
> are
> > > not an
> > > > >> > ENTJ and
> > > > >> > > struggling at trading, ask yourself if trading is the
> right
> > > > >> vocation for
> > > > >> > > you.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo"
> > > > >> <teclogeo@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > Mmmm.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Are you sure about the 50% of successful traders
> thing? A
> > > > >> quote from
> > > > >> > > > the link.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > "ENTJs are often "larger than life" in describing
> their
> > > > >> projects or
> > > > >> > > > proposals. This ability may be expressed as
> salesmanship,
> > > > >> > > > story-telling facility or stand-up comedy. In
> combination
> > > with
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > natural
> > > > >> > > propensity for
> > > > >> > > > filibuster, our hero can make it very difficult for
> the
> > > > >> customer to
> > > > >> > > decline"
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > !!!!????? :-)
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > _____
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > >> > > > On Behalf Of trendyindividual
> > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:26 PM
> > > > >> > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > INTP according to: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-
> > > > >> win/JTypes2.asp
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > >> > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > So who on this board knows their MB type? I'll bet
> this
> > > > >> year's
> > > > >> > > > profits
> > > > >> > > > > that Superfragalist is an ENTJ (less than 5% of the
> > > > >> population but
> > > > >> > > > 50%
> > > > >> > > > > of successful traders are ENTJs). Anyone else?
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
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