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I don't agree there I'm afraid. When people are motivated and 
trained they often turn out to do an excellent job, contradicting 
anything a psychometric test may have predicted.

Nobody is limited by the tiny set of assessments taken by a 10 
minute session if they don't want to be.

I'm not sure what industry you work in (or did work in if you now 
trade full time), but surely you must have seen it so many times: 
the 'ideal' candidate for a job who's psychometrically suited and 
perfectly qualified for the job makes a total mess of it and the 
unqualified, psychometrically unsuited biff turns out to be a star.

That's because a 10 minute assessment in a 'false' situation (i.e. a 
situation in which one would never work in reality - one's job 
rarely emtails answering 50 multiple choice questions every day) is 
a poor indicator of anything. 


--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser" 
<andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> It may take 10 sessions with a trained psychologist to get an 
accurate
> picture of someone, sure, but it takes a 10 minute interaction to
> figure out what someone is NOT capable of doing/achieving,... 
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "trendyindividual"
> <gordon.inbox@xxxx> wrote:
> > Personally I think the idea that a person can be accurately 
analysed 
> > in a 30 minute series of questions is ludicrous. It takes a 
trained 
> > psychologist many sessions to get anything approaching an 
accurate 
> > picture of someone.
> > 
> > Simply put, our emotive responses go deeper than a few surface 
> > questions will reveal. We are the sum of an entire lifetime's 
events.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Sprunger" 
> > <tlsprunger@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Here is a link to a paper by Lo and Steenbarger.
> > > "Fear and Greed in Financial Markets:  A Clinical Study of Day-
> > Traders"
> > > http://web.mit.edu/alo/www/
> > > 
> > > One of the conclusions was " Psychological traits derived from 
a 
> > > standardized personality inventory survey do not reveal any 
> > specific "trader 
> > > personality profile", raising the possibility that trading 
skills 
> > may not 
> > > necessarily be innate, and that different personality types 
may be 
> > able to 
> > > perform trading functions equally well after proper 
instruction 
> > and 
> > > practice."
> > > 
> > > Hmmm... sounds like the whole Turtles experiment.
> > > 
> > > So, if you are not an ENTJ, take heart.... But maybe you must 
be a 
> > day 
> > > trader???  ;>)
> > > 
> > > Tom
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "metastkuser" <andysmith_999@xxxx>
> > > To: <equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:13 PM
> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Don't know, but that's a great question....
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "david" 
<dwei9361@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > > >> "In fact, if you are not an ENTJ and struggling at trading, 
ask
> > > > yourself if
> > > >> trading is the right vocation for you."
> > > >>
> > > >> So were all the turtles ENTJ ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> On Behalf Of trendyindividual
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 7:00 PM
> > > >> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >>
> > > >> The trouble with any of these psychometric types of 
evaluation 
> > is
> > > >> that they try to analyse the complexity of an individual in 
a 
> > few
> > > >> 10s or 100s of questions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, they only come up with certain averages from their 
tests -
> >  for
> > > >> example, on average a successful trader might be a type 'A'
> > > >> personality or whatever - but one will often find that the 
> > really
> > > >> successful people in a lot of vocations defy the standard.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo" 
> > <teclogeo@xxxx>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > Usually, yes. But could also be free-thinking self-
> > determination?
> > > >> I just
> > > >> > wouldn't put people with MBAs on any kind of pedestal, 
that's
> > > >> all.a very
> > > >> > significant number of leaders (political, social or 
business) 
> > did
> > > >> not go
> > > >> > "all the way" as far as formal education is concerned.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >   _____
> > > >> >
> > > >> > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> > On Behalf Of metastkuser
> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:58 AM
> > > >> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "good enough to apply but chose not to" -- apathy?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo" 
> > <teclogeo@xxxx>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > If 80% of your local "Ivy League" is ENTJ, then I am 
> > pleased not
> > > >> to
> > > >> > be one.
> > > >> > > No disrespect to them of course, but it's the make-up 
of the
> > > >> other
> > > >> > 20% that
> > > >> > > would interest me. Or the make-up of the population 
that 
> > were
> > > >> good
> > > >> > enough to
> > > >> > > apply but chose not to.!!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >   _____
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> > > On Behalf Of Andrew Tomlinson
> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:46 PM
> > > >> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I wouldn't take it too seriously. I am an INFJ and had a
> > > >> reasonably
> > > >> > fruitful
> > > >> > > career as a banker. Any organization needs a mix of 
people 
> > to
> > > >> compete. I
> > > >> > > suspect that you might find that different trading 
styles
> > > >> appeood al to
> > > >> > > different personality types (e.g. discretionary vs. 
> > systematic).
> > > >> The
> > > >> > > personality of a jazzed up day trader is very different 
> > from a
> > > >> laid back
> > > >> > > position trader.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Mind you, when I was in grad school (oriental studies) 
I did
> > > >> find I had
> > > >> > > nothing in common with the MBA students who kept trying 
to 
> > shake
> > > >> my
> > > >> > hand and
> > > >> > > give me their business cards. Maybe its because they 
were 
> > all
> > > >> ENTJs....
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Andrew
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> > > On Behalf Of metastkuser
> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:34 PM
> > > >> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Check your local Ivy League graduate biz school. 80% of 
the
> > > >> class is
> > > >> > ENTJ,
> > > >> > > compared to 2% of the general population. Aside from 
making
> > > >> great biz
> > > >> > > leaders, from what I have read, ENTJs make great 
traders too
> > > >> > > -- above and beyond any other MB type. In fact, if you 
are 
> > not an
> > > >> > ENTJ and
> > > >> > > struggling at trading, ask yourself if trading is the 
right
> > > >> vocation for
> > > >> > > you.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo"
> > > >> <teclogeo@xxxx> wrote:
> > > >> > > > Mmmm.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Are you sure about the 50% of successful traders 
thing? A
> > > >> quote from
> > > >> > > > the link.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > "ENTJs are often "larger than life" in describing 
their
> > > >> projects or
> > > >> > > > proposals. This ability may be expressed as 
salesmanship,
> > > >> > > > story-telling facility or stand-up comedy. In 
combination 
> > with
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > natural
> > > >> > > propensity for
> > > >> > > > filibuster, our hero can make it very difficult for 
the
> > > >> customer to
> > > >> > > decline"
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > !!!!????? :-)
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >   _____
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> > > > On Behalf Of trendyindividual
> > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:26 PM
> > > >> > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Myers Brigs
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > INTP according to: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-
> > > >> win/JTypes2.asp
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > >> > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > So who on this board knows their MB type? I'll bet 
this
> > > >> year's
> > > >> > > > profits
> > > >> > > > > that Superfragalist is an ENTJ (less than 5% of the
> > > >> population but
> > > >> > > > 50%
> > > >> > > > > of successful traders are ENTJs). Anyone else?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
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