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Steve, talk is cheap.
"If the four dozen metastock users..."
"Ask any of them when they all show up next week"
"Go to this website, go to that forum..."
For someone that has been around since the dawn of PCs, you are
showing a distinct lack of maturity.
You seem to go on harping about this or that achievement, about
rubbing shoulders with other "educators", but I see very little
substance behind any of your hype or grandstanding.
Perhaps you should let your own work do the talking.
As for attacking my personal trading record, part of it (ASX stock
trading) has been posted live over the last 4 years, and it has never
missed a beat.
http://users.bigpond.com/prominex/pegasus.htm
Furthermore, I'm not the least interested in proving anything to you.
Since I'm not out to sell pay sites, tips, etc, my trading record is
not important in this regard. My proven record lies in the useful MS
tools I've coded (including fixing your own attempt at immortalizing
your name), and I don't wish to be judged on any other merits.
Lastly, being a full-time trader and programmer, I simply don't have
the free time available to continue on this subject, so this is my
last say on this matter. If I have made just 10% of readers of this
post aware of your real wares, then my job is done.
jose '-)
--- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading" <kernish@xx
..> wrote:
> Jose,
>
> You sure didn't look far. How about looking at a few of your
> countrymen's sites that "borrowed" a butt-load of my stuff:
> Paritech and Guppy? Do you know Rick or Daryl? Give 'em my
> regards next time you see them.
>
> I'll always allow my certified track record to speak for itself.
> If you insist of nitpicking my code writing abilty...you win.
> I'm a complete code dolt. But, that's a good thing. The best code
> writers I know (double and triple-degreed engineers), are also the
> worst traders I know. God giveth and god taketh away.
>
> In the attachment that I sent to the forum, I have offered six
formulae that are profitable in real time (providing you implement the
proper rules). How can you possibly argue the effectiveness of this
system? Maybe I should encourage the four dozen metastock users, who
hang in my room, to join this forum. Won't it be fun when they start
to explain their day to day trading, using MS, and my formulas. They
will all make full disclosure about: favorite approaches, among the
six-pack, and post their daily profits/losses. Just think, Jose, you
can criticize these people for being successful traders using my work.
Ask any of them when they all show up next week: Did Steve ever
charge you for a formula or system?
>
> I am dying to know one thing: Do you have any documented trading
statements and would you be willing to share your system and track
record? I can't wait to see it. Also, do you promise to be nice to
all the new MS users the forum will be hosting next week (I can cause
a crowd to gather)? I'm sure, they will all find your comments
amusing.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jose
> To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:44 PM
> Subject: [Metastockusers] free means no $
>
>
> Well, Steve old boy, I've searched far and wide, and I can't seem to
> find much of your work available for free. I've found a lot of hype
> though.
>
>
> Your site:
> http://www.thedailytrade.com/
>
> PaySite.
>
>
> "Check out the Denver Trading Group:
> http://www.denvertradinggroup.com/ the largest trading group in the
world."
>
> PaySite.
>
>
> "All I'm saying is that nobody has to pay anything for indicators or
> trading systems."
>
> You don't need to say that here because... this is *not* a PaySite.
>
>
> "BTW, check out all the promotional goodies that Equis sends out to
> their prospective clients (the video). Recognize any of the
frontmen/
> women?
>
> Yes, a freebie - but somehow I doubt this self-promotional video is
> going to help anyone improve their trading.
>
>
> "I give it all away ... for free."
>
> Ok, let's take a look at this little free gem, a simple variation of
> Standard Deviation histogram, with your name attached to it.
>
> {Bollinger Band Histogram Karnish}
> ((C+2*Std(C,20) - Mov(C,20,S)) / (4*Std(C,20)))*4 - 2
>
> For someone that preaches simplicity, it beats me why you've
cluttered
> up the MS code with unnecessary complexity:
> (C+Std(C,20)-Mov(C,20,S))/Std(C,20)-1
>
> Creating useful indicators is not about making them more complex,
but
> more useful to the potential trader.
> The oscillator above could be improved a tad by introducing
adjustable
> inputs (not everyone trades the same style), a more "natural" -
> 100~+100% range (allows direct comparisons between different charts)
,
> and self-adjusting overbought/oversold levels (not every chart has
the
> same volatility & trend characteristics):
>
> ---8<----------------------
> pds:=Input("Std Dev periods",1,252,20);
>
> x:=(C+Std(C,pds)-Mov(C,pds,S))/Std(C,pds)-1;
> Osc:=(x-Lowest(x))
> /(Highest(x)-Lowest(x)+.000001)*100;
>
> avg:=Cum(Osc)/Cum(IsDefined(Osc));
> pk:=Ref(Osc,-1)=HHV(Osc,3)
> AND Ref(Osc,-1)>avg;
> pkv:=ValueWhen(1,pk,Ref(Osc,-1));
> Osold:=Cum(pkv)/Cum(IsDefined(pkv));
>
> tr:=Ref(Osc,-1)=LLV(Osc,3)
> AND Ref(Osc,-1)<avg;
> trv:=ValueWhen(1,tr,Ref(Osc,-1));
> Obought:=Cum(trv)/Cum(IsDefined(trv));
>
> Osold;Obought;Osc
> ---8<----------------------
>
> Personally from a trader's point of view, I see nothing
exceptionally
> helpful about this choppy oscillator. I doubt you need to worry
about
> this one being hijacked by the black box brigade.
>
> The point here is, that code at this level of simplicity should be
> freely available, and not hidden behind paysites.
>
>
> Steve, prior to your hijacking of this thread for your own self-
> promotion, a very useful site that has useful MS code freely
available
> was mentioned. No password or subscription is needed to obtain any
of
> the very useful indicators there, and it just happens that the
site's
> owner has most likely given away more "free stuff" and more of his
> time, than everyone else put together in this usergroup.
>
> MetaStock Tips & Tricks - Free stuff, no promotional videos, and a
> very useful monthly MetaStock newsletter.
> http://www.metastocktips.co.nz/
>
>
> jose '-)
>
>
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading"
<kernish@xx
> ..> wrote:
> Jose,
>
> The difference is that all my work is given away for FREE.
> Check out the Denver Trading Group:
> http://www.denvertradinggroup.com/
> the largest trading group in the world.
>
> Every month, for the last three years, I am the moderator of the
> mechanical SIG group (100+, every fourth Thursday). Each and every
> month, there is a powerpoint presentation that is archived at the
DTG
> site. Every month, I present a mechanical system that I trade
"live"
> in real time. The Mirus E-Mini track record is just a small part of
> the overall trading program (but, it is a system with absolutely no
> custom indicators and of course, dozens of people have printed these
> trades in their accounts). Also, we advise institutions and
> brokerage houses around the globe. You ought to tune into the
"live"
> twenty minute morning update.
>
> All I'm saying is that nobody has to pay anything for indicators or
> trading systems. I give it all away ... for free. I know that
pisses
> off charlatans and system hustlers...but so be it. I don't put you
in
> that category Jose. But, before anyone buys anything, from anybody,
> they should investigate what is around .... for free.
>
> BTW, check out all the promotional goodies that Equis sends out to
> their prospective clients (the video). Recognize any of the
frontmen/
> women? Damn, one of those guys is sure good looking (and I ain't
> talking about Oliver or Bob).
>
> Take care,
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jose
> To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: Xmas is here early
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> "Since these unsolicited, solicitations keep showing up in my
> mailbox..."
>
> You'd better direct my mail to your spam box, because I'm unlikely
> to stop at this one. The trader's educational market is rife with
> scams, and it is highly unusual to find genuinely useful material,
> free or otherwise.
>
>
> "First of all, I've been using MS since 1988 and have developed very
> simple approaches to the market. NOT TOOLS, simple approaches based
> on STANDARD pulldown indicators."
>
> No tools. Good for you.
> But perhaps you are in the wrong usergroup.
>
>
> "Using the Chande Momentum Oscillator..."
>
> This could be considered a trading tool, and so could MetaStock.
>
>
> " http://www.thedailytrade.com/ "
> "Daily Trade subscribers start each day with our Morning Market
> Update and Morning Market Call - indispensable tools that help
> investors set their daily, short, intermediate and long term market
> biases."
>
> Oh, so you do use TOOLS... <:-I
>
>
> " http://www.mirusfutures.com/cct_log.asp#041130 "
>
> Looks like a tips sheet to me.
> I guess no trading tools needed here.
>
>
> "Nobody is using MetaStock with the stealth precision that is
> practiced by the group of traders we have gathered."
>
> Pfff... :D
>
>
> "If you want to experience a "out-of-body" trading experience....
> join us in our hotcomm room: Teach Talk Trade."
>
> Thanks, but I'd prefer to keep my feet firmly on the ground for now.
>
>
> jose '-)
>
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading"
> <kernish@xxxx> wrote:
> Jose,
>
> Since these unsolicited, solicitations keep showing up in my
> mailbox...I guess this forum is open to "suggestions" on how to
> spend your hard earned cash.
>
> First of all, I've been using MS since 1988 and have developed very
> simple approaches to the market. NOT TOOLS, simple approaches based
> on STANDARD pulldown indicators. Using the Chande Momentum
> Oscillator I have been trading for dozens of people and the ACTUAL
> track record is at:
>
> http://www.mirusfutures.com/cct_log.asp#041130
>
> If you seek a place where the majority of the people use and
> exchange information about MetaStock...I would check out:
>
> http://www.thedailytrade.com/
>
> If you want to experience a "out-of-body" trading experience....
> join us in our hotcomm room: Teach Talk Trade.
>
> Nobody is using MetaStock with the stealth precision that is
> practiced by the group of traders we have gathered.
>
> Take care,
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jose
> To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:38 AM
> Subject: [Metastockusers] Xmas is here early
>
> I've just had the privilege of previewing a pre-release version of
> the December issue of Roy's MetaStock Tips & Tricks newsletter, and
> if you are a subscriber, you are in for a nice surprise.
>
> In my view, this is the best issue yet published, with articles on
> the System Tester, user-input Explorations, and more.
> A new set of articles on filtering relative strength explorations by
> a professional trader puts the icing on the cake.
>
> I better not say much more, except that I have no financial
> connection to Roy's newsletter. Apologies to Roy for "jumping the
> gun", but it's not often that I get excited by educational material
> (of the highest calibre in this case).
>
> If you haven't been here yet, now is your chance:
> http://www.metastocktips.co.nz/
>
>
> jose '-)
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