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[EquisMetaStock Group] Re: How to Build a Trading System without Lace



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OK, I've read the articles. Excellent, but boy is this guy 
longwinded... and constantly plugging TradeStation/EasyLanguage. I'm 
noticing a common trend here. The (self-proclaimed) successful 
traders have a lot of time on their hands. 

Anyway, here's the summary in case you are lazy (since every second 
poster on this board seems to get a kick out of calling everyone else 
lazy -- go figure). I'm doing this from memory so spare me the hate 
mail:

-- Intro and Lesson 1: You can't predict markets, don't try. Rely on 
a system (he calls it strategy). Use TradeStation. Be rigorous with 
your system/strategy, backtest, quantify, characterize, know it like 
you know your mother. Use TradeStation. No room for ego, losses 
happen, move on, it's a business, enjoy it or get out of trading. Did 
I tell you about TradeStation?

-- Lession 2: take the secondary entry (Super, did you write this?). 
Four steps: dumb trader -> technical trader -> strategy trader -> 
guru. Seminars suck. Don't use Advanced GET. Deterministic approach 
to risk and  capital management, know your probabilities. Use 
TradeStation. Create, test, trust and dispassionately use a system. 
Hey guess what? TradeStation. Cash management is the key. Learn to 
hedge.

-- Lesson 3: Three market types; trending, sideways with low 
volatility, and sideways with high volatility. Each market has its 
own trading strategies -- trend-following (15% of the time), low-V 
sideways (like stochs), and high-V sideways (editorial: switch to 
selling option premium). TradeStation strategies galore. Your system 
should suit... you!

Lesson 4: Separate the setup (flashing green or red arrow hopefully 
accompanied by a loud beep) from the actual trade entry. A good entry 
should catch every possible move. Use stop orders not limit orders to 
enter. TradeStation Beep.

Lesson 5 & 6: Trade the market (trend or sideways) that suits your 
psyche. Trend markets/strategies have long periods of drawdown. 
Sideways has you sitting out much of the time. Quit your day job and 
trade full time to make the most profit. Stop-losses should not take 
you out more than 10% of the time, otherwise it's too tight.

Lesson 7: Use optimization to make a good strategy better, not to fix 
a bad one. A strategy is over-optimized when it fails to do the very 
thing it was created to do. Backtest over many different periods/bars 
to ensure there is no curve fitting.

Lesson 8: You strategy is kaput when you look at your brokerage 
statement and the drawdown is higher than it has ever been. 


Lesson 9: Being a full time trader gets lonely, rehash of Intro. Use 
TradeStation. No barriers to entry, so a lot of losers get into this 
business. Most traders quit because they ran out of money before the 
profits came in.

Editorial: The author contradicts himself at times. He says that it 
is useless trying to predict the direction of the market, yet that is 
what most systems do. If you really want to have your trading be 
independent of market direction, the only viable approach is to sell  
premium with fully hedged option positions (zero position delta).  




--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, superfragalist <no_reply@xxxx> 
wrote:
> 
> For those of you who can't read my posts because of my caustic wit 
> and dry sense of humor, not to mention insulting all groups 
> simultaneously, here is a step by step guide to building your own 
> trading system. (I am removing the pearls from the pig pen so that 
> more people may enjoy them as jewelry! However, there is an art to 
> simultaneously insulting so many with so few words. I do not intend 
> to bury that skill.)
> 
> Let's us begin.......
> 
> Read all the articles under Trading as a Business
> 
> http://www.elitetrader.com/tr/index.cfm?s=17
> 
> The articles will teach you step by step how to build a trading 
> system. 
> 
> John Clayburg's book Four Steps to Trading Success will show you 
how 
> to setup a simple indicator system that is among the best there is. 
> It will serve as your basic trading system. It works on all stocks, 
> in any time frame and has no curve fit. Then you add your favorite 
> filters to it. 
> 
> In Roy's newsletter he is building one of the best filtering 
systems 
> there is. It's a great newsletter for teaching MS coding and 
systems 
> building. It's only $99 a year.
> 
> www.metastocktips.co.nz
> 
> That should be most of what you need to get started and keep you 
from 
> getting too far off course. Oh, I would also add a 20 bar SMA to 
the 
> chart because price often regresses to the 20 bar SMA.
> 
> If you absolutely feel the need to have red and green arrows that 
> scream buy me now, you can use a program like ICE, or the simple 
> systems from Performance Systems Plus. Just remember, any "expert" 
> system is going to generate a lot of false signals, so your other 
> basic buy sell indicators like the Clayburg's and Roy's filtering 
> technique Rule. (Especially Roy's noise filter. I would have paid 
> more than $100 for that alone.)
> 
> Once you have done this, you will find the system you have built 
will 
> match the recommendations in the article, and there really isn't 
> anything any better out there for you to start with. You can trade 
> with it without losing your rear. 
> 
> Oh, I almost forgot. Does it come with an exploration. No, it 
> doesn't. But that's not a factor. 
> 
> You really should trade from a fixed group of stocks in my humble 
> opinion. VERY few people have found success searching 7000 stocks a 
> night for the one's that have the little green or red arrows 
popping 
> up. It's better to use a pre-screened group such as the S&P 
Platinum 
> Portfolio or the Valueline T1 stocks or the IBD 100. 
> 
> If you don't want to use those, then scan by HAND every night a set 
> group like the S&P 100 or 500. You really do need to look at all 
> those charts by hand because you need to see where in the cycle 
each 
> stock is and what it's chart looks like. Nothing beats learning to 
> read charts, and exploring every night just won't teach you how to 
do 
> that. If you insist on having stocks that meet a certain criteria, 
> learn to use Marketscreen.com. Yes, my brothers and sisters, you 
have 
> to pay for it but it's a much better exploration system than you'll 
> ever get with TA in a box like MS, and it's already programmed for 
> you.
> 
> You also need to learn to use secondary entries because a stock 
that 
> is already trending has a better probability of continuing to move 
up 
> than a stock that has it's little red or green arrow showing. And 
> please remember---resist the urge to trade against the overall 
market 
> trend. The trend is your friend! 
> 
> What does a secondary entry mean? Well, if you open a chart and the 
> Clayburg are passed their intial buy signal and the stock is 
showing 
> a trend with Roy's filter, if you buy it even though it's passed 
it's 
> intial entry point, you stand a very good chance of making money. 
> When the Clayburg's and Roy's filter tell you to sell it, you 
follow 
> those indications no matter what your intuition tells you, or what 
> the little green and red arrows are doing. 
> 
> Okay, those are my small contributions for those of you who wish to 
> have a trading system but don't know how to create one. You are 
> probably still grasping at straws, which you won't have to do any 
> more thanks to uncle Super. 
> 
> Are we all feeling like good dobee's now?








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