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size=2>Statistically you can get long strings of head or tails. Feller ( he 
wrote 2 books on statistics) discussed this and showed that in a coin toss of a 
thousand tosses he could get strings of head or tails that were several 
hundred hits long. 
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From: rvalue1 [mailto:rvalue1@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:55 PMTo: 
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] 
Event "Cancelled - Open Cost" in Enhanced System Test
I have been using 80% of equity for a while and it works fine. It 
shows a lower return because only 80 % of your equity is invested and 
the final return is a percentage of your account. That keeps me more 
realistic on my expectations of what I would make..Another interesting 
thing..On flipping a coin with a 50% probability of success, what do you 
think are the odds of getting 5 tails (bad trades in a row out of 50 trades) 
in a row?  Very high - like over 70% with a Monte Carlo simulation; per 
Schaeffer. That shows the importance of money management and sticking to a 
system for the long haul and not giving up after a few consecutive bad 
trades in a row.. I flipped a coin 25 times and got 7 tails in a row, and 
eventually 10 Heads out of the 25 flips.--- In 
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "jose_locatelli" <jmlocatelli@xxxx> 
wrote:> Tom> > I followed the recommendations in your 
document, and it seems that my > system is now testing well.> 
> Thanks again,> J Locatelli> > --- In 
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Sprunger" > <tlsprunger@xxxx> 
wrote:> > Andrew,  J Locatelli,> > > > Some 
of your questions and problems should be covered in the doc > 
below> > posted in the Files section on this group.> > 
> > Sprunger Guide to MS ver8.doc> > > > Go read 
it carefully.> > > > The v8/9 testers have a broker 
module.  Equis attempted to make it> > "realistic".   
Yeah, right.  Like anyone actually trades like this.> > 
> > When the tester gets a signal it calculates the number of shares 
to > buy and> > passes it to the broker.  The broker 
places the trade if there are> > sufficient funds etc. Otherwise it 
cancels it.> > > > > > Considered :  means a 
signal has been generated.> > Placed:   means an order was 
sent to the broker for a specific > number of> > shares based 
on the price on the bar the signal was generated and > the equity> 
> being used> > Open:  means the broker put the order in. If 
on a buy, you will get > filled> > if the price is lower 
than on the bar the signal was generated, > otherwise> > you 
will not.> > Executed: means the order was filled> > 
Cancelled - open cost: means the order was not filled because the > price 
on> > the next bar is more (for a buy) than the price calculated on 
the > signal bar> > Cancelled- Position Limit:  means the 
order was not filled because > you had> > the max number of 
position already open> > Cancelled - Zero Size: means you did not have 
enough equity to buy > 1 share> > > > There may 
be some others.> > > > Jose, on your specific 
question,> > (Considered)   at 15:50 you got a signal to buy 
3494 shares> > (Placed)  at 15:50 the order for 3494 shares was 
sent to the broker > to> > execute on the next bar> 
> (Cancelled - Open Cost) at 15:55, the order for 3492 shares was > 
opened and> > then cancelled because the price was higher than the 
price where > the 3494> > shares were calculated.> > 
> > You are probably using 100% of your equity, right?  So  
at 15:50 > when the> > signal was generated it divided your 
equity by the price on the > signal and> > came up with 3494 
shares.  On the next bar at 15:55, the price went > up> 
> enough that to buy 3494 shares would have taken more funds than you 
> had> > equity.  So instead of just buying a share or two 
less, which is > what any> > real trader would do, it cancelled 
the entire order and you missed > the> > 
signal.   No trade.> > > > > > 
Tom> > > > > > > > ----- Original 
Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Tomlinson" 
<andrew_tomlinson@xxxx>> > To: 
<equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 
2004 7:33 AM> > Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Event "Cancelled - 
Open Cost" in> > Enhanced System Test> > > > 
> > > > > > Even better, if someone has a list of 
the comments that appear in > the orders> > report with 
explanations. None of them are documented in the > manual. I am 
on> > the verge of giving up on Metastock 8/9 as a platform for system 
> testing.> > Too many undocumented bizarre little tricks to 
get it to do simple > tests. I> > haven't done a single 
system test on this platform that I really > have> > confidence 
in. Not a basis for successful trading.> > > > (forgive my 
bitching. Just spent another 4 hours yesterday trying > to match 
a> > simple system with Colby, with mixed results)> > 
> > Andrew> > > > -----Original 
Message-----> > From: jose_locatelli [mailto:jmlocatelli@xxxx]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:30 AM> > To: 
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] 
Event "Cancelled - Open Cost" in > Enhanced> > System 
Test> > > > > > Hi,> > I wrote a system 
test and during the its simulation some enter> > signals are 
cancelled, with a "Cancelled - Open Cost" event reported> > on the 
Orders report, shown below. I didn´t find any reference to> > this 
type of event in the help and in the MS8 manual.> > > > Can 
any of you explain what this event means? And how to avoid it?> > 
> > 174 23/4/2004 14:50 5 
Considered            
Sell 3494 Market   2> > Signal> > 174 23/4/2004 
14:50 5 
Placed                
Sell 3494 Market   2> > Signal> > 175 23/4/2004 
14:55 5 
Opened                
Sell 3494 Market   2> > Signal> > 175 23/4/2004 
14:55 5 
Executed              
Sell 3494 Market $2.8500> > Open 2 Signal> > 184 
23/4/2004 15:50 6 
Considered            Buy 
3492 Market    > Signal> > 184 23/4/2004 15:50 6 
Placed                
Buy 3492 Market    > Signal> > 185 23/4/2004 
15:55 6 Cancelled - Open cost Buy 3492 Market    > 
Signal> > > > Regards,> > Locatelli> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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