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Hi JO et al,
Ok I'm one of the lurkers, basically I find your posts helpful in that
they answer questions and stimulate thought. What more can you ask for.
All this talk of selling for a company or not is a waste of time and
email traffic. The points were made and let it go at that. If we don't
like the user group we can simply leave. I for one would think that is a
total waste as the group has a lot to offer.
If it wasn't for the information on ICE I simply wouldn't have found it.
Yes I bought it and also powerestrike. They are helping me organize my
thoughts better. Is it a better program or not isn't my concern, that I
like it and I am in th eprocess of integrating it in my trading it is
all that matters to me.
Keep up the posting JO when you are able, people like your self that
give back something to those of us still on the learning curve is very
appreciated.
thanks,
Harvey
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> I rejoined the group for today in order to clarify a few things and
> <BR> to thank the members who sent me the nice emails, including the
> <BR> members who asked me a 100 more questions before I stopped
> answering <BR> emails. <BR>
> <BR>
> I may have a solution to the problems Im having with posting and <BR>
> answering the emails. It will save me a lot of time, allow me to <BR>
> share information, and make it easy for all of you to access it. <BR>
> <BR>
> First of all, I'm not relinquishing my postings due to perceived <BR>
> conflicts with the king of SHILL hunting, Jay. After a word to Jay, I
> <BR> will explain what is going on and how I think I can solve it for
> <BR> those who have any interest in whatever I find that looks
> useful.. <BR> <BR>
> "Jay, I'm guessing you're a nice guy—maybe a little obsessed with
> <BR> hunting down what you perceive as evil—but nice. Of course that
> is a <BR> guess! Sometimes you're even positive and knowledgeable
> , which I <BR> enjoy taking advantage of. "<BR>
> <BR>
> "Yes, Jay, I do get tired of the SHILL references, and I also
> think <BR> that all that does is diminish your credibility. However,
> it's your <BR> credibility to do with as you wish."<BR>
> <BR>
> By the way, Jay, if you think I'm wrong about the credibility issue,
> <BR> maybe some of the members of the site would be willing to provide
> <BR> their comments in a polite way that resembles useful feedback. If
> <BR> people think I'm a SHILL and Jay has rooted out a source of evil,
> <BR> well let's hear it. If you think Jay's approach is less than
> helpful, <BR> same thing. Let's hear it. You still haven't answered my
> question. <BR> Did you ask for that refund? <BR>
> <BR>
> I admit some of the ranting and vitriolic comments bother me, not <BR>
> because they're opposed to what I am saying, but because they might
> <BR> discourage some of the newer users from trying a product that
> would <BR> help them. <BR>
> <BR>
> When a product has a money back guarantee, each person should simply
> <BR> try it for themselves. A couple of people have said recently that
> ICE <BR> is one of their best plug-ins. As I've said so many times, at
> least <BR> half of stuff I've bought for MS has gone back because it
> did not <BR> work for me<BR>
> <BR>
> Aside from that issue, the reason I'm don't want to answer email and
> <BR> do postings is because of the time factor. There are only so many
> <BR> hours in the day. I get a number of emails asking for help. It's
> <BR> really impossible to help everyone. When I politely decline to
> help <BR> teach someone how to trade, or build a system, or whatever,
> I usually <BR> get a nasty email back telling me how selfish I am, or
> screw me, or <BR> worse. Sure I get tired of that. Real tired of
> it. I would like to <BR> tell them what I think, but I was raised with
> manners.<BR> <BR>
> Unfortunately, email anonymity gives people license to say things <BR>
> that they never would say to you if they were sitting in front of <BR>
> you. I don't believe in that approach. I don't say things on this <BR>
> board or in emails I wouldn't tell you if you were talking directly
> <BR> to me. <BR>
> <BR>
> As far as the postings go, most people would never believe how much
> <BR> time goes into those. Once a posting is up, this creates more
> <BR> questions, which is a reasonable expectation, and one I don't
> object <BR> to. But I get asked the same questions over and over.
> People don't go <BR> back and search the archives. For example, I've
> been asked what books <BR> I've read, what's the BEST trading book
> I've ever read, if a person <BR> could only read three books which
> three should they read, and it goes <BR> on. <BR>
> <BR>
> I've been very lucky in life, and I've always been willing to share
> <BR> whatever I had that might help someone else. Doing that is very
> <BR> disappointing many times because very, very few people listen.
> They <BR> want advice that's quick, easy, free and that they like. If
> it meets <BR> all of these criteria, they might, and I mean might,
> follow the <BR> advice. Well, advice rarely meets such a list;
> so few people ever do <BR> anything useful with anything you've told
> them. They want success but <BR> they don't want to do what it takes,
> including listen.<BR> <BR>
> The only return on investment I get from my time is to see people use
> <BR> something I've told them for good purposes. That's rare. <BR>
> <BR>
> I would like to continue to share what I know, read or found without
> <BR> it being such a huge time drain. I think I can do that by writing
> <BR> various things in a longer format and posting the writing with
> the <BR> references, formulas and other stuff in the files section, if
> the <BR> moderator will let me. Then anyone who wants to read whatever
> I've <BR> contributed can go there and find it. That way I only have
> to post <BR> whatever once. <BR>
> <BR>
> However, I guess I need to use disclaimers. While I do read 25 or <BR>
> more trading books a year, I do not now know, or will ever know, what
> <BR> the best 3 trading books are. I surely do not know which one is
> the <BR> best one for you to read. I will write a little review about
> each <BR> book and then you pick.<BR>
> <BR>
> Jay, I didn't write books: I don't own the publishing company that
> <BR> printed the book; I am not personal friends with the author; I am
> not <BR> being paid for my book reviews, and I don't move my lips when
> I read. <BR> Get it!<BR>
> <BR>
> Whenever I post a file I will post a note saying there's a file and
> <BR> telling you what's in it. If you feel like reading it, fine. If
> not <BR> fine! <BR>
> <BR>
> However, I will not answer questions or respond to emails. I would
> <BR> like to, but I don't have the time. It's amazing how many emails
> some <BR> people send me just to ask one question. I really hear from
> some fine <BR> people from all over the world. How lucky do I
> feel—totally blessed. <BR> I wish I had the time to personally write
> each one a book telling <BR> them whatever I know that might make
> their lives better in some small <BR> way----but I can't. <BR>
> <BR>
> If you have questions you can post them, and someone else on the <BR>
> board will answer them for you. That's support. <BR>
> <BR>
> Please don't tell me "you just want to pick my brain."
> Another name <BR> for a brain picker is a vulcher. I used to hear that
> a dozen times a <BR> day when I was speaking around the country.
> Let me translate-- I'll <BR> buy you a cheap lunch so I can get 1000s
> of dollars of information <BR> from you for free! Wow, aren't I smart.
> No, a vulcher is hardly <BR> smart. My brain is not here for picking,
> it's here to help me make <BR> good choices in life, and if you pick
> it, it might not work anymore.<BR>
> <BR>
> While I'm whinning--I correspond with Roy a few times a week. We <BR>
> exchange information. His information is more useful than mine. <BR>
> (While I know he can speak for himself) As you all know, he's a kind,
> <BR> generous and humble person. Do any of you have any idea how much
> mail <BR> he receives in a day? It's got to wear him out sometimes. He
> gets <BR> huffy email too. Can you imagine? Roy's manners make mine
> look crude. <BR> No one should ever say an unkind word to him, or
> slight him in <BR> anyway, because he gives so much and asks so
> little. Some people <BR> thank him, but many don't. Shame on you, if
> you're one of those who <BR> eat and run. <BR>
> <BR>
> If any of you think what I'm saying is arrogant—great. You can learn
> <BR> from arrogant people, especially ones that have been successful.
> <BR> Arrogant people who have failed can't teach you much except how
> to be <BR> an arrogant failure. Skip that class! <BR>
> <BR>
> If enough people express interest in having me share in this manner,
> <BR> this is what I will do. If the majority of people are not
> interested <BR> I won't waste my time. <BR>
> <BR>
> How simple can it get? <BR>
> <BR>
> There is one more thing I would like. There are too many lurkers on
> <BR> the MS sites. I get emails or read an occasional post from them
> <BR> that's wonderful. Where have you been? What's all this crap about
> not <BR> having anything to contribute? If you believe what you have
> told me <BR> that you like what I post and it's valuable---okay help
> me out. Let <BR> hear from you. <BR>
> <BR>
> There are too many questions by people who want to know elementary
> <BR> stuff that's in the manual or on the help screen. Read the book,
> use <BR> the help menu or call technical support. I don't think this
> site <BR> should be a substitute for Pring's how to use MS CDs.
> Buy the CDs <BR> and use them. I did. <BR>
> <BR>
> Many really good questions get posted. A lot of good information gets
> <BR> exchanged. <BR>
> <BR>
> I am working on the Systems Tester problem. I've read a number of <BR>
> posts saying 7.2 is better. Okay, how is it better? Saying you get
> <BR> results from 7.2 you trust but not from 8.01 is BS. Give us the
> <BR> facts, not a vague opinion. I've had problems with 8.01 also. I
> have <BR> no idea if my problems are the same as yours. I don't know
> what yours <BR> are. I'm trying to find out what's wrong, and I'm
> going to do that. <BR> Does it have bugs—no doubt—should those
bugs be
> causing the kind of <BR> problems I'm seeing—no way. <BR>
> <BR>
> I think by next week I'll have some ideas on what's going on. I've
> <BR> asked some long time MS users and some former Equis employees if
> <BR> they've seen any problems and they said no. That was a dead end.
> But <BR> I've got other sources of information I should have put
> together by <BR> next week. I'll let you know if I find anything. I
> hope so. I use the <BR> systems tester all the time. I hope I don't
> have to start over. <BR> <BR>
> Okay, this is long, I know. If the support is in favor of what I'm
> <BR> suggesting post your support. If you are not in favor that is
> good <BR> too, share it. You will be doing me a favor.<BR>
> <BR>
> JO<BR>
> <BR>
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