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Hi all,
I've got the original manuals for Vers. 5, 6, 6.5, and 7 (End-of-Day)
Any use to anyone? Any offers?
Thanks
Ken
(in Canada)
At 01:31 10/13/2003, you wrote:
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> 1. Re: Re: Turtles Trading System
> From: "John Doe" <ms001122@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 2. Re: MaxLocksperFile
> From: Harry M. Ward <hmw3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 3. Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
> From: "Tom Sprunger" <tlsprunger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 4. Unlock formulas from metastock plug-in ?
> From: "stf" <drclic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 5. Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
> From: "Peter Kuskopf" <pkuskopf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 6. Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
> From: "Peter Kuskopf" <pkuskopf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 7. Re: Re: Turtles Trading System
> From: JayTownsend@xxxxxxx
> 8. Profit Risk Trailing Stop
> From: "jessedoggett2000" <thedoggetts1@xxxxxxx>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:46:15 +0000
> From: "John Doe" <ms001122@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Re: Turtles Trading System
>
>Jay,
>
>I don't know of the merits or otherwise of the posted trading system, but I
>*do* appreciate your bringing the site to my (and other forum users')
>attention. I have downloaded the system and hope to study it over the next
>few weeks/months.
>
>JD
>=================================================
>
>From: JayTownsend@xxxxxxx
>Reply-To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Turtles Trading System
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:34:32 EDT
>
>For what it's worth since I don't have documentation:
>
>1. Richard Dennis has had at least one of his commodity funds go
>bankrupt when the system had too many consecutive losses. I've been
>told that he (and other former Turtles) have modified the Donchian
>breakout system to incorporate a measure of volatility.
>
>Yes, that link I sent out had a volitility factor.
>
>2. Russell Sands, the Turtle that divulged the trading system, has
>bankrupted his accounts twice. To his credit(?), he still trades the
>same system with new equity. He sells the system rules to recover
>from the busted accounts.
>
>The site clearly states that Sands was fired by Dennis because not only did
>he divulge the contents of the system (Dennis had each Turtle sign an
>agreement
>to not disclose them for 10 years, after which time they could) he didn't
>follow the system anyway and lost money. One of the stated reasons of that
>site
>publishing the system for free, was to 'get even' with Sands and break his
>'monopoly' on a Turtle system that isn't really a Turtle system.
>
>3. The Donchian breakout system is only part of the Turtle system.
>There are a bunch of position sizing rules and stop losses that are
>not part of the simple breakout system. To my mind, these rules are
>the real cause of success for the Turtle system (or any other
>system). Cut your losses short, increase your investment when you
>have a winner (a simplification of the Turtle money management
>rules). These rules can be used with any system and give positive
>results (even a system that uses random entries). It just takes the
>discipline to follow them (luck obviously changes the amount of time
>to become a billionaire).
>
>Yes, all of the rules that one can think of were at the site.
>
>4. If you do a search on Donchian, I think you will find all of the
>information you need on this relatively simple entry and exit system:
>Enter long when close > ref(hhv(h,20),-1)
>Exit long when close < ref(llv(c,10),-1)
>Short is just the reverse.
>
>Yes, that is what some sites say, but that is not the original Donchian. I
>had a book of the original Donchian when it first came out and the original
>was
>a 20/20 long/short - in the market at all times. Early in its history, it
>made money.
>
>However, the Turtle system is best applied in commodities.
>Each commodity has a very individual character, but two facts of
>commodity markets never change:
>1. Cyclicality (as mentioned below)
>2. Basic economics that force a commodity's price to be low for long
>periods of time (when supply exceeds demand) followed by shorter
>periods of exponential price increases (when demand exceeds supply)
>until enough new production or substitutes come into the marketplace.
>I believe it's this second characteristic of commodity markets that
>make a breakout system useful.
>
>The Turtles only traded the commodity markets. Seasonal cycles apply to all
>commodity markets, including all financial. However, they totally violate
>the
>seasonals at times so they are not dependable, in spite of what Jake
>Bernstein trys to tell you. He is in the business of selling systems and
>one of his
>former brokerage associates stated that Jake lost money in his own personal
>account for every year that he was with him. Also, there is a Moore
>Research
>Institute out of Oregon who began back testing the seasonal cycles, and
>through
>their mathematical models attempt to predict precise entry days and exit
>days,
>with stop losses and/or price objectives. They go no farther back than 20
>years and to qualify for one of their selections it has to have a 70% or
>higher
>probability of occuring. I took their subscription for a year and found
>that
>you need at least 50K to trade, and that you should really have 100K. They
>traded futures only, and all of them, and their 'paper' profits were
>somewhere
>around 50%, though if I remember right they did not account for slippage and
>a
>few other things. Moore is now available on-line and is very expensive, and
>in
>my opinion very risky.
>
>Jay
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>Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:58:21 -0400
> From: Harry M. Ward <hmw3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>Tom:
>
>On 11 Oct 2003 08:46:59 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >> And I believe if you export your results
> >>to Excel, then you can delete regularly and you probably won't have the
> >>maxlocks file problem very often. I don't.
>
>This is becoming really frustrating. I now have MaxLocksperFile set at
>100,000. If that has really improved anything, it is not very obvious.
>When ST_Data.mdb gets above 60Meg or so, I get the error message. I
>tried running "Discard" several times in a row, but still got the
>message. Then earlier today, after getting the message (I was trying
>to discard one of two Tests), I closed MS, opened the file in Access
>(I have Access 2000) and used the Compact and Repair feature. This
>reduced the size of the file to 43Meg. When I reopened MS, the file I
>had been trying to discard was no longer listed! But it now takes over
>1 minute to open the System Tester.
>
>I can't believe we are the only folks who run into this problem. Maybe
>the operating system has some affect. You seem to be able to manage,
>and have XP. I don't, and have Win98SE.
>
>I know that the size of the ST_Data.mdb file varies greatly depending
>on what indicator you are trying to test. The next time you get ready
>to Discard test results, would you open Windows Explorer, and see how
>large the ST_Data.mdb file is getting? This would help me determine
>whether I am having problems that others don't, or that I am just
>creating larger test files.
>
>Harry
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:55:44 -0500
> From: "Tom Sprunger" <tlsprunger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>
> >
> > This is becoming really frustrating. I now have MaxLocksperFile set at
> > 100,000. If that has really improved anything, it is not very obvious.
> > When ST_Data.mdb gets above 60Meg or so, I get the error message. I
> > tried running "Discard" several times in a row, but still got the
> > message. Then earlier today, after getting the message (I was trying
> > to discard one of two Tests), I closed MS, opened the file in Access
> > (I have Access 2000) and used the Compact and Repair feature. This
> > reduced the size of the file to 43Meg. When I reopened MS, the file I
> > had been trying to discard was no longer listed! But it now takes over
> > 1 minute to open the System Tester.
> >
> > I can't believe we are the only folks who run into this problem. Maybe
> > the operating system has some affect. You seem to be able to manage,
> > and have XP. I don't, and have Win98SE.
> >
> > I know that the size of the ST_Data.mdb file varies greatly depending
> > on what indicator you are trying to test. The next time you get ready
> > to Discard test results, would you open Windows Explorer, and see how
> > large the ST_Data.mdb file is getting? This would help me determine
> > whether I am having problems that others don't, or that I am just
> > creating larger test files.
>
>
>
>Harry, I just went in and checked my current file size. It is 343MB.
>Probably have a handful of system test reports in there. The system test I
>have been running recently are quite complicated. Each system test uses
>about 6-7 indicators, each one called from an Indicator formula. I bet the
>size is also effected by the number of bars in the test. My test has 1100
>bars in it.
>
>I have also noticed that most times it takes a long time to open the System
>Tester for me, the first time I open after starting Metastock. Mine takes
>longer than one minute. I can usually go get a cup of coffee and come back
>in the time it takes to open it. Its a pain, but not as big as the discard
>problem. Until you commented about it I never associated it with the
>maxlocksper file issue. But certainly it was quick to open when I first
>bought the upgrade so something has changed.
>
>I don't know what to tell you except that I suspect that XP handles the
>problem a little better than 98. By the way I'm also running Office 2000.
>You might go check for an office update. I was there not too long ago and I
>think I remember a patch that effected the Jet engine or whatever that I
>believe is used with the MaxLocks stuff. Also I have my MaxLocks set at
>500K I believe.
>
>I would guess that most users don't run very sophisticated tests. Power
>users will experience this problem more than casual users. Maybe the lack of
>others complaining says something about how many power users there are, or
>about how many power users have upgraded to 8.0. I know for a fact that
>over the last 2-3 years a high percent of the old active power posters on
>this board have left and gone to amibroker. Equis will have to address this
>problem as well as the whole bunch of system tester issues I have complained
>about or this is the last release I will buy. That would be a shame.
>
>The only other thing you could try is the repair procedure given by
>Metastock. Did they give you that? If not, let me know and I'll post it.
>
>
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>Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:00:15 +0200
> From: "stf" <drclic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Unlock formulas from metastock plug-in ?
>
>Hello,
>
>My question is : If you buy a plug in for metastock like "power pivots
>++ ", do you have the password to unlock the formulas ???
>
>If not, does anybody know how to unlock a formulas ?
>
>
>Stephane.
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>Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:37:16 +1000
> From: "Peter Kuskopf" <pkuskopf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>I have used the MS-Access Compact/Repair technique for a long time, and I
>ensure all old tests are removed. I can't remember ever having had a
>MAXLOCKS problem and I have never touched the Maxlocks setting. My MDB
>file has been as large as 500 MB. However, I use WinXP. Perhaps the locks
>are used differently or are per-process on XP.
>
>As to the speed of the system tester, I find it woeful for anything
>serious, and MS 8.01 didn't change anything in this regard. So I have
>switched to Amibroker for system testing purposes. The Metastock system
>tester startup time seems to be related to the physical size of the MDB file.
>
>Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry M.Ward
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:58 AM
> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>
> Tom:
>
> On 11 Oct 2003 08:46:59 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >> And I believe if you export your results
> >>to Excel, then you can delete regularly and you probably won't have the
> >>maxlocks file problem very often. I don't.
>
> This is becoming really frustrating. I now have MaxLocksperFile set at
> 100,000. If that has really improved anything, it is not very obvious.
> When ST_Data.mdb gets above 60Meg or so, I get the error message. I
> tried running "Discard" several times in a row, but still got the
> message. Then earlier today, after getting the message (I was trying
> to discard one of two Tests), I closed MS, opened the file in Access
> (I have Access 2000) and used the Compact and Repair feature. This
> reduced the size of the file to 43Meg. When I reopened MS, the file I
> had been trying to discard was no longer listed! But it now takes over
> 1 minute to open the System Tester.
>
> I can't believe we are the only folks who run into this problem. Maybe
> the operating system has some affect. You seem to be able to manage,
> and have XP. I don't, and have Win98SE.
>
> I know that the size of the ST_Data.mdb file varies greatly depending
> on what indicator you are trying to test. The next time you get ready
> to Discard test results, would you open Windows Explorer, and see how
> large the ST_Data.mdb file is getting? This would help me determine
> whether I am having problems that others don't, or that I am just
> creating larger test files.
>
> Harry
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>Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:48:17 +1000
> From: "Peter Kuskopf" <pkuskopf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>Oops. Spoke too soon. My (large) MDB file had one particularly large
>system test sitting in it, which gave a Maxlocks error when trying to
>discard it.
>
>Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Kuskopf
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>
> I have used the MS-Access Compact/Repair technique for a long time, and
> I ensure all old tests are removed. I can't remember ever having had a
> MAXLOCKS problem and I have never touched the Maxlocks setting. My MDB
> file has been as large as 500 MB. However, I use WinXP. Perhaps the locks
> are used differently or are per-process on XP.
>
> As to the speed of the system tester, I find it woeful for anything
> serious, and MS 8.01 didn't change anything in this regard. So I have
> switched to Amibroker for system testing purposes. The Metastock system
> tester startup time seems to be related to the physical size of the MDB file.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry M.Ward
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:58 AM
> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: MaxLocksperFile
>
>
> Tom:
>
> On 11 Oct 2003 08:46:59 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >> And I believe if you export your results
> >>to Excel, then you can delete regularly and you probably won't have the
> >>maxlocks file problem very often. I don't.
>
> This is becoming really frustrating. I now have MaxLocksperFile set at
> 100,000. If that has really improved anything, it is not very obvious.
> When ST_Data.mdb gets above 60Meg or so, I get the error message. I
> tried running "Discard" several times in a row, but still got the
> message. Then earlier today, after getting the message (I was trying
> to discard one of two Tests), I closed MS, opened the file in Access
> (I have Access 2000) and used the Compact and Repair feature. This
> reduced the size of the file to 43Meg. When I reopened MS, the file I
> had been trying to discard was no longer listed! But it now takes over
> 1 minute to open the System Tester.
>
> I can't believe we are the only folks who run into this problem. Maybe
> the operating system has some affect. You seem to be able to manage,
> and have XP. I don't, and have Win98SE.
>
> I know that the size of the ST_Data.mdb file varies greatly depending
> on what indicator you are trying to test. The next time you get ready
> to Discard test results, would you open Windows Explorer, and see how
> large the ST_Data.mdb file is getting? This would help me determine
> whether I am having problems that others don't, or that I am just
> creating larger test files.
>
> Harry
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:34:44 EDT
> From: JayTownsend@xxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Re: Turtles Trading System
>
>In a message dated 10/12/2003 11:48:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>ms001122@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> > I don't know of the merits or otherwise of the posted trading system
>
>Me neither! I do know that some on the list had asked about Turtle trading
>in the past, and from all that I can gather from that site it is truly
>legitimate, and free. I picked up a couple of pointers from it, and I
>think that if
>one is attracted to that style of trading that you can learn from it, though
>not necessarily use it as 'the' system.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jay
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:39:04 -0000
> From: "jessedoggett2000" <thedoggetts1@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Profit Risk Trailing Stop
>
>I am relatively new to Metastock and am slowly learning the
>programming syntax. I've encountered what seems to be a problem
>with the application (v8.0 EOD) on the Stops page of the System
>Editor. When I attempt to set a trailing stop that gives back some
>percent of the profit to date absolutely nothing happens. It's like
>this part of the application is not turned on. I questioned equis
>support and received a cryptic reply that they do indeed have a
>problem with the trailing stop feature. Has anyone else experienced
>this problem? Also, does anyone have code that implements profit
>risk trailing stop?
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Jesse Doggett
>Mesa, AZ
>
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