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Preston,
You are right on... and the search for that Holy Grail goes on.
However I can say that the spectacular profits provided by the
Detrend Oscillator really gave me a shot of adrenalin. My spirits
were boosted dramatically to find anything at all that provided 100%
profits on every stock tested.
If I find anything else promising, I'll post a follow up message. In
particular anything that makes it over to that Rock Hard Right Edge.
Now on to that little spot between the rock and that hard place
: -- ) )
One last thought: Here is a web site with a massive collection of
Metastock formulas:
http://www.guppytraders.com/Metastock%20Formulas/formula%20index.htm
Another web site that is even more spectacular and sometimes allows
access without a password:
http://eis.pl/kr/AFM/index-en.html
Grizz
--- In equismetastock@xxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> Grizz,
>
> I believe there is a difference between the Equis DPO and other
DPO's
> out there. Maybe we should look at another formula for DPO that
will
> plot to the hard right edge.
>
> BTW: I played with the DPO many years ago and came up with a system
> that would have made me look like Gates in no time. I believe the
> archived messages of this group still contain some of the original
> posts from 1999. To make a long story short, when I realized that
the
> last few days weren't plotting I gave up.:-(
>
> Preston
>
>
> --- In equismetastock@xxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> >
> > The Nay Sayers who argue that it won't work because "Future Data"
> is
> > required are correct, of course, but also way off base. I think
the
> > Naysayers should instead be asking, "WHY IS IT SO LUCRATIVE WITH
> OLD
> > HISTORICAL DATA" In actual fact, this profit test runs from the
> left
> > side of the chart where OLD HISTORICAL data begins showing
> > spectacular profits almost immediately. There is simply NO future
> > data to be found at the left end of the chart. Right? Of
course ! !
> > That "Future Data" argument does not apply until we get to the
> right
> > side of the chart. The formula just can't be used to make real
> money
> > because a signal for today won't come for another 10 days. Yet
this
> > lucrative formula cannot be dismissed. Why does it work so well
> with
> > old historical data?????? And just HOW profitable? 125 stcks
picked
> > at random had 125 profits, and NO losers. Some profits ran $1,000
> > into $225,000 in just a few years. Only the Metastock "Maximum
> Profit
> > System" provides equal or greater profits.
> >
> > I was always really pissed off at Equis for keeping
their "Maximum
> > Profit System" a secret. We know it can't be used to make real
> money,
> > so why keep it a secret??? Can't we can all learn at least
> something
> > from every formula we look at? Shame on Equis for hiding their
> > formula.
> >
> > Now to answer your own question. The "Grail" formula is nothing
> more
> > than the guts from the DPO(periods) formula which is the
Detrended
> > Price Oscillator.
> >
> > Put this into your system testor:
> > ENTER LONG:
> > DPO(20)< 0 AND Cross(DPO(25),Mov(DPO(25),3,S))
> > CLOSE LONG:
> > DPO(20) > 0 AND Cross(Mov(DPO(25),3,S),DPO(25))
> >
> > You will see the same stunning profits on OLD historical data
which
> > has nothing to do with future data ( until we hit the right side
of
> > the chart ).
> >
> > To see why this is so amazingly profitable, make a custom
indicator:
> > Title: DETREND WITH TRIGGER
> > DPO(20);
> > mov(dpo,3,s);
> > 0; {centerline}
> > With this custom formula displayed on the screen, we can better
see
> > WHY it works.... Now the goal for this astute group of traders is
> to
> > find out why it works and then modify it to work better. And I
> think
> > the KEY is in properly defining and using the CYCLE of the
> underlying
> > stock. Clearly detrend has an EXCELLENT grip on the stock cycle.
> >
> > The journey of 1,000 miles consists of 1 little step at a time.
> > Detrend is a great 1st step which proves that at least something
is
> > consistently profitable, even if it is flawed. Consider that
> several
> > things equal to the same thing are equal to each other.
> >
> > To answer another question, I'm sure that Detrend can be just as
> > profitable or even MORE profitable than the Equis "Maximum Profit
> > System" by tweaking the DPO periods.
> >
> > Grizz
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, "robert@xxxx" <robert@xxxx> wrote:
> > > praktikus:
> > >
> > > Could you give some detail on the adaptive moving average
> > > that you are using? Did you write some Metastock code for
> > > it? Would you mind sharing it?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: praktikus_ms mluescher@xxxx
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:32:52 -0000
> > > To: equismetastock@xxxx
> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Huge System Test Profits
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi grizz
> > >
> > > did you compare your system with the "MAXIMUM PROFIT" System
that
> > > came with MS? Guess the profits would even increase ...
> > >
> > > Honestly said wouldn't it be perfect for all of us to know
> exactly
> > > where that the price of a stock (option, future, name what you
> want
> > > to) is in a month, a week, a day or even by the end of the day.
> > Sure
> > > thing we all would be much better in our trading. Unfortunately
> we
> > > all can't see what will happen in the future. For tjis reason
any
> > > system using Ref( , plus value) will not work out in reality.
> > >
> > > How can you say that none of your tests worked with a positive
> > > result? If this was true, none of the traders would be around
by
> > now.
> > > For my own small piece of fortune I trade a moving average
System
> > as
> > > explained by Perry Kaufman in "Smarter Trading" (the adaptive
> > moving
> > > average) with European bonds (comming from Europe so please
> excuse
> > my
> > > typing) and it works out pretty well. Maybe you share some of
> your
> > > thoughts so we can improve the thing for better?
> > >
> > > Greets, praktikus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > You are right, of course. But that is not the point of this
> > system
> > > > test. The point of this test is this: It is extremely
> profitable
> > > as
> > > > a system test when using REAL data that already exists in the
> > > array.
> > > > It's moving average is shifted left to match the stock's
> cycle.
> > > Why
> > > > is it so fantastically profitable using REAL data? And even
> more
> > > > important, why is everything else so consistently
UNprofitable
> > > using
> > > > REAL data in the array?
> > > >
> > > > Why is this so fantastically profitable?? In my opinion,
> because
> > it
> > > > is based on the REAL cycle of the stock under test. Why is
> > nothing
> > > > else profitable? Because nearly everything else is based on
> > cycles
> > > > that are LATE or do not exist.
> > > >
> > > > So we can all agree that this system test is less than
perfect,
> > and
> > > > it cannot be used as is for real money trading. The value
here
> is
> > > to
> > > > show that at least SOMETHING can produce spectacular profits
on
> > > real
> > > > data. It is perhaps the best starting point to investigate
why
> it
> > > > makes money, and what can be done to fix it's problem. A
> > profitable
> > > > approach can lead to better profitable approaches.
> > > >
> > > > Grizz
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, "praktikus_ms" <mluescher@xxxx>
> wrote:
> > > > > I see just one little thing to cause some worries: the Ref
() -
>
> > > > > function used looks in to the future (dd1 = 20 -->
20/2+1=11 -
> -
> > >
> > > > this
> > > > > means that you look 11 days in to the future from today -
> what
> > is
> > > > > impossible to me as far as I know ;-) ). For this reason
you
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > be able to trade this system.
> > > > >
> > > > > praktikus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone beat the fantastic system test profits
generated
> > > from
> > > > > > these formulas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enter Long:
> > > > > > ==================
> > > > > > dd1:=20;dd2:=25;
> > > > > > grail1:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd1,S),dd1/2+1);
> > > > > > grail2:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd2,S),dd2/2+1);
> > > > > > grail1 < 0 AND Cross(grail2,Mov(grail2,3,S))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Close Long:
> > > > > > ==================
> > > > > > dd1:=20;dd2:=25;
> > > > > > grail1:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd1,S),dd1/2+1);
> > > > > > grail2:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd2,S),dd2/2+1);
> > > > > > grail1 > 0 AND Cross(Mov(grail2,3,S),grail2)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Set System test for Longs Only. No stops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grizz
> > >
> > >
> > >
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