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Neo wrote: "We are using natural resources and destroying the ecosystem of
the planet that will ultimately lead to our own destruction."
Are we really? Been watching PBS it sounds like. Don't believe
everything you hear..... most of the theorys are stated as fact, when in
reality there is another motive behind the propoganda. Many of the
enviromental extremist have financial and/or political ambitions that often
twist and sometimes ignore the truth of science.
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: neo
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: Natural Gas and other natural resources
Bill
Interesting figures. My concern is more available potential supply in the
ground in US territory. Any idea of the amount in 1980, 1990, and 2000 as
well as estimates (with increasing consumption) for 2010 and 2020?
Ultimately I do not believe that our society is sustainable. We are using
natural resources and destroying the ecosystem of the planet that will
ultimately lead to our own destruction. Hope I am wrong but this is the way
I see it.
neo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of wavemechanic
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:13 PM
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Stand proud, America!
Neo:
Here are the figures:
Reserves (10^12 m^3) at end of year:
5.4 (1980)
4.71 (1990)
4.74 (2000)
Consumption (10^11 m^3) at end of year:
5.4 (1980)
6.2 (1990)
6.5 (2000)
Production (10^11 m^3) at end of year:
5.1 (1980)
5.4 (1990)
5.6 (2000)
So reserves and production have been held constant while consumption and
imports increased. Given the fact that reserves are not infinite, this does
not sound like a sensible way to go, i.e., use the other guys reserves
before your own. But also, don't forget that there is a huge reserve of gas
locked up in the form of coal. Actually, probably a good way to use the
large reserves of low caloric value coal.
As for shipping, natural gas can be shipped like oil and, in fact, is
shipped all over the world in liquefied form. The U.S. currently obtains
about 5% of its requirements in this manner.
Solar, wind, geothermal, ocean tides, etc. are certainly other alternatives.
But there is no free lunch there either. For example, how much space are we
willing to turn over to solar panel farms, which are not the prettiest
things around? Or to windmill farms? (Wisconsin did a study and the
acreage required to replace a fossil or nuclear power plant is significant.)
How much of our land are we willing to devote to such usage? Where will
such farms go? How cost competitive does alternative energy have to be?
Etc., etc. Certainly valid questions for governmental studies, but to the
best of my knowledge no answers at the present time. Then again we have
gone for many, many years without an energy strategy or governmental
leadership so the absence of answers is not surprising.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: neo
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: Stand proud, America!
Al
I did not mean short term. I was talking about years not months. The US is
running out of fossil fuels. I believe the US receives about 30% of it's
natural gas from Canada. Natural gas cannot be shipped like oil (where the
US cannot meet it's own needs and is dependent on OPEC). The US must move
away from fossil fuels and towards nuclear, solar, and wind. The other
consideration of course is the carbon dioxide produced.
If you have the forecasts on the abundance of natural gas that the US has
for many years ahead I would like to see it.
The US runs on energy and cannot afford to be so dependent on OPEC.
neo
p.s. I agree that more spies are needed out in the field
~ -----Original Message-----
~ From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Al Taglavore
~ Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:03 PM
~ To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ Subject: Re: Stand proud, America!
~
~
~ neo> "...The US is almost out of natural gas.....
~
~ This is totally incorrect. The demand has increased for this
~ clean burning
~ fuel, and the exploration and production has increased to meet demand.
~ Check the futures markets, check the annual reports for natural gas
~ companies as to their increase of supply (this can be done by reading the
~ reports from the companies websites).
~ ----------
~ > From: neo <neo1@xxxxxxxxx>
~ > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > Subject: RE: Stand proud, America!
~ > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:57 AM
~ >
~ > John
~ >
~ > I agree totally. France generates 80% of it's electricity from nuclear
~ > power. The US is almost out of natural gas. We should move to nuclear
~ power.
~ > This is one of the biggest national defense issues the US has.
~ >
~ > neo
~ >
~ >
~ > ~ -----Original Message-----
~ > ~ From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > ~ [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Adair
~ > ~ Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:13 PM
~ > ~ To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > ~ Subject: RE: Stand proud, America!
~ > ~
~ > ~
~ > ~ Terrorism will persist as long as we finance it with our
~ > ~ purchase of oil. We
~ > ~ Must start a massive project to become independent of the
~ Middle East
~ oil
~ > ~ producers. We must develop alternative energy sources. Osama
~ > ~ will return
~ > ~ to finish the job he started. Eliminate The USA and Israel.
~ > ~
~ > ~ -----Original Message-----
~ > ~ From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > ~ [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
~ > ~ Behalf Of neo
~ > ~ Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:29 PM
~ > ~ To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > ~ Subject: RE: Stand proud, America!
~ > ~
~ > ~ Glen
~ > ~
~ > ~ I do not think she was talking about Canada. Canada and the US are
~ very
~ > ~ close. It is many of the other countries.
~ > ~
~ > ~ Look at Palestine. The US has done everything it could do
~ to get them
~ a
~ > ~ county back and they were dancing in the streets when this
~ > ~ happened. The US
~ > ~ went to liberate Kuwait and yet in Saudi Arabia people were
~ > ~ dancing in the
~ > ~ streets. The US is in a recession and OPEC just keeps their oil
~ > ~ prices high
~ > ~ which strangles the US economy.
~ > ~
~ > ~ neo
~ > ~
~ > ~
~ > ~ ~ -----Original Message-----
~ > ~ ~ From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~ > ~ ~ [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Glen Wallace
~ > ~ ~ Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:11 PM
~ > ~ ~ To: MetaStock listserver
~ > ~ ~ Subject: Re: Stand proud, America!
~ > ~ ~
~ > ~ ~
~ > ~ ~ > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help
~ > ~ ~ of the other
~ > ~ ~ > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
~ > ~ ~ someone else raced
~ > ~ ~ > to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
~ > ~ ~ help even
~ > ~ ~ > during the San Francisco earthquake.
~ > ~ ~
~ > ~ ~ For shame. Canada continually and consistently aids its
~ > ~ ~ neighbour, and vice
~ > ~ ~ versa. Canada has sent medical personnel to New York yesterday
~ > ~ ~ and today,
~ > ~ ~ and blood collection services even here in the west are
~ > ~ ~ overwhelmed. If I set
~ > ~ ~ my mind to it, I'm sure I could name 5,000 times when Canada did
~ help.
~ > ~ ~ Here's a few -- the forest fires in north western U.S. this
~ > ~ ~ summer, the Exxon
~ > ~ ~ Valdez clean-up, the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, the ice storms in
~ > ~ ~ north eastern
~ > ~ ~ U.S. (and Canada) in 1998. I don't want to hear any more of
~ > ~ ~ this crap; take
~ > ~ ~ it off-list.
~ > ~ ~
~ > ~ ~
~ > ~
~ > ~
~
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