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To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: TAKE MY ADDRESS OFF THIS LIST
From: Richard <mcbride3@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:06:39 -0800
In-reply-to: <200103231347.GAA09298@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> metastock-digest        Friday, March 23 2001        Volume 01 : Number 1296
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> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:30:40 +0100
> From: leo.timmermans.lt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: test
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> test
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> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:30:28 +1100
> From: "David Hunt" <adest@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Stops
> 
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> Jeff and all,
> 
> Larry Williams has posted an article of his on what stops mean for systems
> at
> 
> http://www.adest.com.au <http://www.adest.com.au/>
> 
> It agrees generally with your conclusions and comes up with more.
> 
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:33 +1000
> From: "Jeff Ledermann" <j.ledermann@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Profit Stops
> 
> >...
> > we have now.  Certainly you're not suggesting having the courage to go
> > without a stop will be best, so I think I'm missing your point here.
> >
> > Sincerely-
> > Ron Scott
> 
> I think the word you should have used was stupidity not courage :)
> Dave is sort of right - test it for yourself if you don't believe this.
> Almost every system will show lower profits with stops and profits will
> decrease as stops are made tighter.
> 
> Now the other side of the coin is that tightening stops (to some minimum
> point) reduces drawdown which means that the equity required to trade the
> system decreases.  This means that with a given account size you can trade
> more contracts, which means that as you tighten stops you make more money.
> Obviously there is an optimum stop level where you minimize drawdown and
> maximize the winning percentage of trades.
> 
> Jeff.
> 
> David Hunt
> http://www.adest.com.au/ <http://www.adest.com.au/>
> Australians phone: 02 9527 4690
> International: 612 9527 4690
> US Callers phone: 1 312 577 0491 Fax 1 312 577 0491
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> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Jeff and all,</span></font><font size=3D2 =
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Larry Williams has posted an article of his =
> on what
> stops mean for systems at</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> href=3D"http://www.adest.com.au/";>http://www.adest.com.au</a></span></fon=
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> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> comes
> up with more.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:33 =
> +1000</span></font><font
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>From: &quot;Jeff Ledermann&quot;
> &lt;j.ledermann@xxxxxxxxx&gt;</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Subject: RE: Profit Stops</span></font><font =
> size=3D2
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>&gt;...</span></font><font size=3D2 =
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>&gt; we have now.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes">=A0
> </span>Certainly you're not suggesting having the courage to =
> go</span></font><font
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
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> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> I'm
> missing your point here.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font size=3D2 =
> color=3Dblack
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>&gt; Sincerely-</span></font><font size=3D2
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>&gt; Ron Scott</span></font><font size=3D2
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> New";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>I think the word you should have used was =
> stupidity
> not courage :)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Dave is sort of right - test it for yourself =
> if you
> don't believe this.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3D"Courier New"><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Almost every system will show lower profits =
> with
> stops and profits will</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3D"Courier New"><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> New";color:black;mso-color-alt:
> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>decrease as stops are made =
> tighter.</span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> New";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> New";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Now the other side of the coin is that =
> tightening
> stops (to some minimum</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3D"Courier New"><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>point) reduces drawdown which means that the =
> equity
> required to trade the</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3D"Courier New"><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> New";color:black;mso-color-alt:
> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
> style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>system decreases. <span =
> style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes">=A0</span>This means that with a given account size you can =
> trade</span></font><font
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>more contracts, which means that as you =
> tighten
> stops you make more money.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
> face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
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> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
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> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>Obviously there is an optimum stop level =
> where you
> minimize drawdown and</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3D"Courier New"><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal =
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> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> "Courier New";color:black'>maximize the winning percentage of =
> trades.</span></font><font
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:09:22 -0500
> From: "neo" <neo1@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Stops
> 
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> David
> 
> I could not find the article on stops by Larry Williams at the site you
> mentioned. How do I find it?
> 
> Thanks, neo
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David Hunt
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:30 PM
>   To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Subject: Stops
> 
>   Jeff and all,
> 
>   Larry Williams has posted an article of his on what stops mean for systems
> at
> 
>   http://www.adest.com.au
> 
>   It agrees generally with your conclusions and comes up with more.
> 
>   Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:33 +1000
> 
>   From: "Jeff Ledermann" <j.ledermann@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
>   Subject: RE: Profit Stops
> 
>   >...
> 
>   > we have now.  Certainly you're not suggesting having the courage to go
> 
>   > without a stop will be best, so I think I'm missing your point here.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Sincerely-
> 
>   > Ron Scott
> 
>   I think the word you should have used was stupidity not courage :)
> 
>   Dave is sort of right - test it for yourself if you don't believe this.
> 
>   Almost every system will show lower profits with stops and profits will
> 
>   decrease as stops are made tighter.
> 
>   Now the other side of the coin is that tightening stops (to some minimum
> 
>   point) reduces drawdown which means that the equity required to trade the
> 
>   system decreases.  This means that with a given account size you can trade
> 
>   more contracts, which means that as you tighten stops you make more money.
> 
>   Obviously there is an optimum stop level where you minimize drawdown and
> 
>   maximize the winning percentage of trades.
> 
>   Jeff.
> 
>   David Hunt
> 
>   http://www.adest.com.au/
> 
>   Australians phone: 02 9527 4690
> 
>   International: 612 9527 4690
> 
>   US Callers phone: 1 312 577 0491 Fax 1 312 577 0491
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> <DIV><SPAN class=3D810470713-22032001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008080 =
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> size=3D4>David</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D810470713-22032001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008080 =
> 
> size=3D4></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D810470713-22032001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008080 =
> size=3D4>I=20
> could not find the article on stops by Larry Williams at the site you =
> mentioned.=20
> How do I find it?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D810470713-22032001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3D810470713-22032001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008080 =
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> size=3D4>Thanks, neo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>   <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
> face=3DTahoma=20
>   size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
>   owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On=20
>   Behalf Of </B>David Hunt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 21, 2001 =
> 2:30=20
>   PM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
>   Stops<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV class=3DSection1>
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>   face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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>   all,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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>   face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
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>   19 Mar 2001 16:01:33 +1000</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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>   face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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>   Ledermann" &lt;j.ledermann@xxxxxxxxx&gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
> face=3D"Courier New"=20
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
> New'">&gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
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>   <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT=20
>   face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
> New'">&gt;=20
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
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>   <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT=20
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
> New'">&gt; Ron=20
>   Scott</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I =
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> New'">Dave is sort=20
>   of right - test it for yourself if you don't believe =
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
> New'">Almost every=20
>   system will show lower profits with stops and profits =
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>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:49:51 -0700
> From: "Dave Nadeau" <dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> All,
> 
> Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> Yahoo!group would be better).
> 
> It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2 that's
> coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> posts.
> 
> Dave Nadeau
> Fort Collins, CO
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> >
> > Reply to this message:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> >
> > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> >
> > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:52:45 -0700
> From: "Dave Nadeau" <dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: FW: Check out eCharts.com [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> Another cross posting from Yahoo! Clubs.  Just FYI, you might want to look
> at the site...
> 
> Dave Nadeau
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:43 PM
> > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Check out eCharts.com [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > Check out Equis' newest Technical Analysis web sight, eCharts.com.
> >
> > Tell me what you think!
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> >
> > Reply to this message:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3345
> >
> > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> >
> > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> 
> _________________________________________________________
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> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:42:24 +0100
> From: Frans Derksen <fjderksen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Nasdaq to 1800
> 
> Well Rajesh,
> 
> CONGRATULATIONS.
> I hope you've put your money where your mouth was.
> Now what ??
> 
> Best wishes,
> Frans
> 
> At 13:24 19-10-00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Well,
> >
> >I must say the day I picked is probably the right day. I dont think the
> >market has bottomed out. We were and are still looking DOWNSTAIRS for
> >the bottom . The figure 1800 is my own figure which differs from my
> >mentors figure (he has a higher figure). Personally I had a higher
> >figure than my mentor in the begining(by 400 points) and have changed my
> >mind since and set it lower than his.
> >
> >Unless there is some dramatic change , and I dont see any Im bearish.
> >
> >I know it probably the worst day to give bear talk.
> >
> >Just thought I share my cryptic thoughts with you folks. Enjoy the
> >upside while it lasts.
> >
> >Bearishly with best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Rajesh
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:18:09 -0700
> From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock listening???
> The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads on
> this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> 
> Ron Scott
> 
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> To: MetaStock Listserver
> Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> All,
> 
> Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> Yahoo!group would be better).
> 
> It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2 that's
> coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> posts.
> 
> Dave Nadeau
> Fort Collins, CO
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> >
> > Reply to this message:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> >
> > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> >
> > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:16:34 -0600
> From: "Lionel Issen" <lissen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> Nothing useful.
> Lionel Issen
> lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> listening???
> > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> on
> > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> >
> > Ron Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > Yahoo!group would be better).
> >
> > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> that's
> > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> > posts.
> >
> > Dave Nadeau
> > Fort Collins, CO
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > >
> > > Reply to this message:
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> > >
> > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> > >
> > > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:19:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dave Nadeau <dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Fwd: UPDATE - MS 7.2 EOD IS ROLLING!! [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> - --- fundprophet <clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:15:06 PST
> > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > From: fundprophet <clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-to: clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: UPDATE - MS 7.2 EOD IS ROLLING!! [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> > Jason, from Equis sales called back today. They are now accepting orders and expect to start
> > shipping on Friday, March 23. On equispr's advice, I called back and placed an order yesterday
> > with Carl in Equis sales. Yesterday, he didn't have any info on when the shipping date would be.
> > It appears to me they were waiting until the product was actually on hand from the manufacturer.
> > How inquiries were handled varied from salesman to salesman. I'm fearful the good old days are
> > gone, and we're heading for automated message handling next, like all the other large
> > bureaucracies.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> >
> > Reply to this message:
> >
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=equismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3356
> >
> > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> >
> > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> >
> http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dave_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> >
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:32:06 -0500
> From: "michael" <mslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Nasdaq to 1800
> 
> 4800+ down to 1800 and now your bearish???  I am on the verge of being as
> bullish as I've ever been.  I am waiting for the last of the bulls to
> finally give up buying the dips, then I will start buying everything I can
> afford with as much leverage as possible.
> 
> Michael
> 
> >I must say the day I picked is probably the right day. I dont think the
> >market has bottomed out. We were and are still looking DOWNSTAIRS for
> >the bottom . The figure 1800 is my own figure which differs from my
> >mentors figure (he has a higher figure). Personally I had a higher
> >figure than my mentor in the begining(by 400 points) and have changed my
> >mind since and set it lower than his.
> >
> >Unless there is some dramatic change , and I dont see any Im bearish.
> >
> >I know it probably the worst day to give bear talk.
> >
> >Just thought I share my cryptic thoughts with you folks. Enjoy the
> >upside while it lasts.
> >
> >Bearishly with best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Rajesh
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:16:29 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Gibby <jgibby@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> We are now selling MetaStock 7.2 and MetaStock 7.2 upgrades.  Call 800
> 882-3040 for details and pricing.
> 
> Thanks for using MetaStock.
> 
> Jeffrey Gibby
> Equis Sales
> 800 587-8015
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   Lionel Issen [mailto:lissen@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent:   Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:17 PM
> To:     metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject:        Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> Nothing useful.
> Lionel Issen
> lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> listening???
> > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> on
> > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> >
> > Ron Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > Yahoo!group would be better).
> >
> > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> that's
> > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> > posts.
> >
> > Dave Nadeau
> > Fort Collins, CO
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > >
> > > Reply to this message:
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> > >
> > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> > >
> > > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:30:02 -0500
> From: "Peter Gialames" <investor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Nasdaq to 1800
> 
> I think if you look at the original message ... it was dated Oct 19, 2000.
> 
> Peter Gialames
> 
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of michael
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:32 PM
> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Nasdaq to 1800
> 
> 4800+ down to 1800 and now your bearish???  I am on the verge of being as
> bullish as I've ever been.  I am waiting for the last of the bulls to
> finally give up buying the dips, then I will start buying everything I can
> afford with as much leverage as possible.
> 
> Michael
> 
> >I must say the day I picked is probably the right day. I dont think the
> >market has bottomed out. We were and are still looking DOWNSTAIRS for
> >the bottom . The figure 1800 is my own figure which differs from my
> >mentors figure (he has a higher figure). Personally I had a higher
> >figure than my mentor in the begining(by 400 points) and have changed my
> >mind since and set it lower than his.
> >
> >Unless there is some dramatic change , and I dont see any Im bearish.
> >
> >I know it probably the worst day to give bear talk.
> >
> >Just thought I share my cryptic thoughts with you folks. Enjoy the
> >upside while it lasts.
> >
> >Bearishly with best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Rajesh
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:37:17 -0800
> From: Daniel Martinez <DanM@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: MS 7.x??  Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> I went to Yahoo Groups, which previously was EGroups, and I found a few groups
> dedicated to technical analysis.  You might want to look them over.  On the last
> page of the search below, it shows a email group with 293 members:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=metastock&sc=0&sg=0&ss=0
> 
> Even though the Equis ListServ is slow, it still has the most users at about
> 670.
> 
> Daniel.
> 
> Lionel Issen wrote:
> 
> > I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> > Nothing useful.
> > Lionel Issen
> > lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> > > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> > listening???
> > > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> > on
> > > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> > >
> > > Ron Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > > Yahoo!group would be better).
> > >
> > > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> > that's
> > > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> > > posts.
> > >
> > > Dave Nadeau
> > > Fort Collins, CO
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to this message:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > > > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> > > >
> > > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> > > >
> > > > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > > > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:45:19 -0500
> From: "Michael Logan" <mlogan5@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> Ditto on that. Yahoo seems to be rather limited.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lionel Issen" <lissen@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> > I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> > Nothing useful.
> > Lionel Issen
> > lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> > listening???
> > > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> > on
> > > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> > >
> > > Ron Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > > Yahoo!group would be better).
> > >
> > > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> > that's
> > > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the
> other
> > > posts.
> > >
> > > Dave Nadeau
> > > Fort Collins, CO
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to this message:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > > > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> > > >
> > > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> > > >
> > > > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > > > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:41:57 -0600
> From: "Tom Sprunger" <tlsprunger@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ??  prices?
> 
> Jeffrey, why not post the prices here and save your self and us a lot of
> time on the phone?
> 
> Tom Sprunger
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Gibby" <jgibby@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:16 PM
> Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> > We are now selling MetaStock 7.2 and MetaStock 7.2 upgrades.  Call 800
> > 882-3040 for details and pricing.
> >
> > Thanks for using MetaStock.
> >
> > Jeffrey Gibby
> > Equis Sales
> > 800 587-8015
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lionel Issen [mailto:lissen@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:17 PM
> > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> > I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> > Nothing useful.
> > Lionel Issen
> > lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> >
> > > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> > listening???
> > > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> > on
> > > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> > >
> > > Ron Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > > Yahoo!group would be better).
> > >
> > > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> > that's
> > > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the
> other
> > > posts.
> > >
> > > Dave Nadeau
> > > Fort Collins, CO
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to this message:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=eq
> > > > uismetastock&sid=12171972&mid=3346
> > > >
> > > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list:
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock/config/change_mb_list
> > > >
> > > > Return to "Equis MetaStock":
> > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock
> > > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list:
> > > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=dav
> > > > e_nadeau&.groupID=equismetastock&.groupType=&.code=csKKvc8kII
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:08:32 -0800
> From: Daniel Martinez <DanM@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Yahoo Clubs.
> 
> I looked over the Yahoo MetaStock club at
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/equismetastock and it looks pretty busy.  3357
> messages since 1/15/1999.  I am already a member of a few other Yahoo clubs and
> I think this one is also worth joining.
> 
> Daniel.
> 
> Lionel Issen wrote:
> 
> > I went to the Yahoo site and all I found were a few very cryptic messages.
> > Nothing useful.
> > Lionel Issen
> > lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> >
> > > I vote for a move to Yahoo Groups as well. Anyone at Metastock
> > listening???
> > > The delays in message posts appearing are very disruptive to the threads
> > on
> > > this forum, like the Profit Stops thread, which was getting really good.
> > >
> > > Ron Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Nadeau
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:50 AM
> > > To: MetaStock Listserver
> > > Subject: FW: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Given the frequency of trouble that this Equis mail list server has been
> > > having over the past four months, I'd recommend that everyone follow the
> > > Equis Metastock "Club" at Yahoo! (although I agree with Neo in that a
> > > Yahoo!group would be better).
> > >
> > > It seems that even Equis employees are using this Yahoo! Club instead of
> > > this Equis list.  Below is one of several postings about the new 7.2
> > that's
> > > coming out.  Check the Yahoo!Clubs area for more information and the other
> > > posts.
> > >
> > > Dave Nadeau
> > > Fort Collins, CO
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: equispr [mailto:clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: MS 7.2 ?? Followup [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We don't force you to purchase a new version of the software to
> > > > upgrade. Upgrades are available and priced less than the new
> > > > software version. The price of the upgrade however, depends on
> > > > the version you are upgrading from...I.E. a 6.52 user would have
> > > > to pay more to 7.2 than a 7.01 user.
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL!
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Equis MetaStock" by email.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to this message:
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:30:48 -0600
> From: "Lionel Issen" <lissen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: UPDATE - MS 7.2 EOD IS ROLLING!! [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis MetaStock]
> 
> This time I got the message "sorry but you have reached a members-only site"
> How do I become a member?
> Lionel Issen
> lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Nadeau" <dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:19 PM
> Subject: Fwd: UPDATE - MS 7.2 EOD IS ROLLING!! [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis
> MetaStock]
> 
> >
> > --- fundprophet <clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:15:06 PST
> > > To: dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx
> > > From: fundprophet <clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-to: clubs-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: UPDATE - MS 7.2 EOD IS ROLLING!! [Yahoo! Clubs: Equis
> MetaStock]
> > >
> > > Jason, from Equis sales called back today. They are now accepting orders
> and expect to start
> > > shipping on Friday, March 23. On equispr's advice, I called back and
> placed an order yesterday
> > > with Carl in Equis sales. Yesterday, he didn't have any info on when the
> shipping date would be.
> > > It appears to me they were waiting until the product was actually on
> hand from the manufacturer.
> > > How inquiries were handled varied from salesman to salesman. I'm fearful
> the good old days are
> > > gone, and we're heading for automated message handling next, like all
> the other large
> > > bureaucracies.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:33:21 -0600
> From: "Lionel Issen" <lissen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Fw: listserver
> 
> This is the message I got from tech support
> Lionel Issen
> lissen@xxxxxxxxx
> .
> >
> > Your email was responded to by:
> > Steve
> > Equis Customer Support
> > http://www.equis.com
> >
> >
> > Steve's response is below the following line.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > The listserve was down for quite some time until last night.  It should
> > be ok, now.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
> > Equis Technical Support
> > http://www.equis.com
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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