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<DIV><FONT size=2>High flying from a few years (1 year(last)) is too
opportune to think a system to be perfect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1997,1998,1999 and current 2000 are/were of an great
exceptional volatile nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1993,1994,1995,1996 of large lesser degree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1991,1992 plain dead(=no volatility).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1990 of a lesser degree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1987,1988,1989 of an great exceptional volatile
nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1983,1984,1985,1986 of large lesser degree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1980, <FONT size=2>1981,1982 plain
dead.</FONT></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>1960-1979 of large
lesser degree/plain dead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1945-1960 of an exceptional volatile nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1930-1945 plain dead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As you can see, no consistency exists/is present AND THIS IS
ALSO "Looking Back", eg</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>easyand WHEN the results "are" also ALREADY publicly
KNOWN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>"You would have been 'slaughtered'
".</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Now for the
UNKNOWN future.............................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss the
".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.<BR>Homepage <A
href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Bob Rago </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> woensdag 12 april 2000 14:07</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Money Management Stops</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=4><STRONG><EM>I use stops all the time. In
today's market vs. last year I use an 8% stop on stocks and for options since
I am a short term option trader I use the close from the previous day as my
stop. If the trade for me doesn't go my way it normally turns to a loser that
is why I get out. I have minimized my loses with an increase in losing trades
but my winners well out pace the dollar amount of my losers. Getting out of a
trade when it turns on me gives me the money to get back into the ball game.
Also if you don't have control of your emotions some losing trades most often
turn into large loosing trades, because of your research goes from sound
practice to hopeful and wishful practice. Last year was different when the
market was trending up with around 50 % pull backs before another up run. On
my options then I uses a 50% stop on volatile under lying stocks and a 40%
stop on others. But this is not a rule for all my trading. It all depends.
This is what I use for my monthly income short term trading. For my Long term
and IRA's fundamentals have a lot to do with it. I play the down side with
covered calls and selling Puts. I don't use stops on this. This is my
investing account. The other is my Trading Account. I think you have to term
which type you are. A Trader or an investor. I feel at least for me they both
have 2 different criteria to manage your risk
management.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=4><STRONG><EM>Bob</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
A.J. Maas
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Metastock-List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Money Management
Stops</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>An upfront question would be better:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What do you see as being a <Trade>,
eg what comprises?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If a future, than ............</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If an option, than ............</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If a share, than ............</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This since these <Trades> differ in Temper <like
fire and water> completely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I like seeing Stops when trading shares, but
not trading options{it will get you bankrupt
and soon}.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss
the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.<BR>Homepage <A
href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
John Manasco
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> dinsdag 11 april 2000
14:05</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Money Management
Stops</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Guy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What criteria do you use to exit a trade that goes
against you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>John Manasco</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: <<A
href="mailto:CRLeBeau@xxxxxxx";>CRLeBeau@xxxxxxx</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: dinsdag 11 april 2000 10:23</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Money Management Stops</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>In a message dated 4/10/00 9:30:14 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR>writes:<BR><BR><< We don’t use any stops in our trading which
means that some bad trades can<BR> be very expensive. Stops
will only mess up your system, unless you used<BR> stops when systems
testing. We don’t use stops in testing our system and
we<BR> don’t use any stops in trading it.<BR> <BR> Just my
opinion.<BR> <BR> Guy >><BR><BR><BR>Sounds
familiar.<BR><BR>"I have never used stops, even to bail myself out.
Somehow, having a fixed <BR>rule to exit provides my adversaries too great
an advantage. " - Victor <BR>Niederhoffer, from "The Education of a
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I probably could have explained it better, but here’s another try.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>To reiterate, we are futures trader.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>All of our discussions about equities are based on
experiences acquired since last June, and any postings about equities must be
taken with a grain of salt and the thought of “beginner’s luck”. <span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>OTOH, between my dad, my brother and
myself, we have well over 125 years experience with futures. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Getting back to futures trading, the initial margin to trade one mini
S&P futures contract is $4,688.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>If you still have the table of our trades I posted, you’ll notice that
our sell of 3/6/00 lost 102.50 points when we reversed and went long on
4/3/00.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This translates to a
$5,125 loss plus commissions and fees.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>The bottom line is you have lost 109+% of your initial investment.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That would be bad enough, but when you
trade several contracts (unfortunately, we had twelve of these puppies) it can really
compound the pain. </span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2
color="#003300" face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
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Arial;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span
style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></span></font></span><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>In the not too distant past, when this would happen, we would be wiped
out and have to start over again, simply due to poor money management.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As we’ve gotten older, we have
hopefully gotten smarter.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Now, we
trade with a zero percent risk of ruin.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>This is based upon a money management book we bought (1 of 3) which got
us to change our greedy ways.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>With
our historical trading percentages, in order for us to run a 0% risk of ruin,
we need to limit our actual investment to 33% of available capital.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In actual fact, we have only invested
about 30% in our futures trading accounts, and of that we risk 33%, or 10% of available
capital, thereby further minimizing our exposure to any possible loss.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>So effectively, we were “broke” after that loss on 4/3/00.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We had another month like that last
November.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Due to our proper money
management techniques, we were able to stay in the market, recovering almost
70% of the November loss in December.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>We have also recovered about 60% of that 4/3/00 loss as of today (on
paper, which we don’t count). <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>To get to your final point about recouping losses, you are right in your
calculations, as far as they go.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Going back to my example of trading S&P futures, we trade 1 contract
for every $14,000 we have up (with the balance invested in T-Bills).<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In order for us to trade 1 futures
contract, we would have to either be further ahead and not fully invested, or
add additional capital.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In actual
fact, the result of that loss meant that we could only trade 9 contracts in the
next trade and nine in our current one.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>And yes, it’s sort of like three steps forward and then one step back
and hopefully you get those in the right order.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><!--[if supportFields]><span class=EmailStyle21><font
size=2 color="#003300" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-element:field-begin'></span><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail
Signature" <span style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><font
color="#003300"><span style='color:#003300'>Guy</span></font><font
color="#003300"><span style='color:#003300;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><!--[if supportFields]><span class=EmailStyle21><font
size=2 color="#003300" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-element:field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><span
class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#003300" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Michel Amelinckx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 12, 2000
4:05 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Money Management
Stops</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I believe this is
possible if you have such a high rate profitability. If you you have a
50% or 55% prof. I don't think it is possible to trade like you do, or you need
large pockets.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I quite don't understand
when you say "we lost 100% of our equity (margin)" do you mean lost
50% of capital ? Because for me losing 100% of your capital is being BROKE, and
if you lose 90% of your capital just remember you need a 900% gain just to
recoup your loss.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Greetings</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Mickey</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Guy Tann<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> woensdag 12 april 2000 5:19<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Money Management
Stops</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>John<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>When we
get a signal to go the other way (reverse our trade).<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>We’re always in the market, for better or for worse.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As I have said many times in the past,
we’re contrarian traders who play probabilities.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>We know that we have a certain percent probability of being
in the correct direction of a move.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>For 2000, we’re running about 80-85% correct.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Again, as you can see from our family email, we don’t have
targets or goals and just stay with the trade until the bitter end.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In certain cases, the drawdowns can get
pretty heavy, that’s why money management is so important.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If you noticed on the chart I posted of
our trades from last October, there were two trades, I believe, where we lost
100% of our equity (margin).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Even
with those 2 trades, we’re up almost 400% on margin in 6 months.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>These bad trades are an example of why
we were running a 100% risk of ruin even though we historically are right 75+%
of the time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Again,
thanks to the group for all those money management suggestions.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They saved our collective butts twice
in the last six months.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><!--[if supportFields]><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-element:field-begin'></span><span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" <span
style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><font
color="#993366"><span style='color:#993366'>Guy</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><!--[if supportFields]><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-element:field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><span
class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
</div>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Manasco<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:06
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Money Management
Stops</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Guy</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>What criteria do you use to exit a trade that goes against
you?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>John Manasco</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title="grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx">Guy Tann</a> </span></font></div>
<font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title="metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Monday, April 10, 2000
10:50 PM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> RE:
Money Management Stops</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We don’t use any stops in
our trading which means that some bad trades can be very expensive.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Stops will only mess up your system,
unless you used stops when systems testing.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>We don’t use stops in testing our system and we don’t use
any stops in trading it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span
class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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\s "E-mail Signature" <span style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Guy</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dr. R.BHANJA<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 10, 2000 11:18
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Money Management Stops</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Can
any body give an idea on how to set the exit parameters settings in a system
building exercise. Two things needed to be set "Money Management
Stop" and "Exit Parameters". While fixing the exit parameters
first I am getting good winning trade% and average win to loss ratio with a
respectable profit. But since the drawdowns are more I tried to put the Money
Management stops but here the system got deteriorated. My money management
stops are coming some where around 15% of the entry point to get the good
result. But this is frightening. So I am trying with other set of entry models.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Can
any body have the idea what should be an acceptable money management stops
people do follow. At what point this stop should be tested during a system
building exercise and while fixing this stop what parameters one should check
(I mean winning % or net profit or drawdown or average win to loss ratio).</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:115.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>BHANJA</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Mark:
I didn't see a response from Guy regarding your question, so I'll take a shot
at it. Coincidentally, I asked the same question of the MemTurbo tech support
person last year and he replied:
"MemTurbo will recover the RAM used to back those resources,
but not the actual resources themselves. "Resources" are a holdover
from 16-bit Windows (and one of the prime reasons I upgraded to
NT, myself), and there's really no way to recover them."
The following is from the MemTurbo website (http://www.memturbo.com/)
"MemTurbo increases your system performance by making more
RAM available for your applications and the operating system.
It also defragments your physical RAM, increasing the efficiency
of your CPU and Motherboard caches. MemTurbo also recovers
memory leaks from poorly behaved applications and flushes unused
libraries and DLLs temporarily out to disk, making more room for
your favorite games or applications."
Hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "scheier" <scheier@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: System Low On Resources....
> Guy--
>
> Do you understand MemTurbo to accomplish the same thing as
> rebooting? --that is, it corrects the problem of restoring
> resources that do not automatically restore as, for instance, the
> number of windows are reduced/closed in programs that have max'd
> these resources out?
>
> I think MemTurbo has a web address, do you know what it is?
>
> thanks, Mark Scheier
>
>
> Guy Tann wrote:
> >
> > I use MemTurbo which I believe Ton passed on to me. I also use TaskInfo
> > to monitor what's happening on my system. Am please with both.
> >
> > Guy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nicholas Kormanik <nkormanik@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:56 PM
> > Subject: System Low On Resources....
> > >
> > > When the MetaStock warning message "Your system is low on resources...."
> > > comes up, is there any way to ***reclaim*** the resources besides
> > > rebooting?
> > > I exit all other programs, and this error message regularly comes up.
> > > My hardware system is at the high end, with 256 meg memory. OS
> > > is Win 98.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nicholas
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