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<DIV><FONT size=2>I agree with Joseph in that the right to choose should be 
paramount.&nbsp; But the simple fact of the matter is also that Microsofts 
products are essentially heaps of shit.&nbsp; Thier operating systems 
(especially servers) are very poorly designed when compared to prevous Unix 
boxes.&nbsp; Any server or workstation that has to be rebooted as many times as 
either NT workstation or server or Win98 after a new product upgrade or 
application/utility upgrade is very poor indeed.&nbsp; Any other consumer 
product that needs as many patches and fixes as Microsofts would be laughed outa 
town.&nbsp; The rude part about it all is the fact that they charge hundreds, 
no, thousands of dollars for some of thier server based OS's is almost criminal 
in itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The only reason MS has such a monopoly is due to good 
marketing, and overall compatibility of the OS with general application 
software.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hence the reason why WE ALL use it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Its a monopoly, but applications such as Metastock need such a 
monopoly.&nbsp; Other wise such companies will have to all sit down together and 
re-write the software protocol books in order to be compatible with the myriad 
of other OS's that would be with us it MS had NOT become such a monopoly.&nbsp; 
If this judgement goes harshly agains MS then we (the consumers) are going to 
lose in the years to come simply due to the fact that we will have too much to 
choose from and nothing will be compatible without added expense.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I may well be very wrong.&nbsp; But just my thoughts &amp; 5c 
worth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Dave</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:jehardt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=jehardt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Joseph 
  Ehardt</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:02 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Microsoft</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Microsoft should not be penalized for making a superior 
  product. It should be penalized for directly interfering with&nbsp;a person's 
  lawful right to choose.&nbsp;It is unfortunate that some people blindly defend 
  Microsoft when they&nbsp;have no knowledge of Microsoft's specific business 
  practices and how it may have violated the law -- you know, the same law that 
  their competitors are held accountable to as well. Is there a general problem 
  with people's understanding of English?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Joe</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Bram &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:AIB@xxxxxxxxxxx";>AIB@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: </B><A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Saturday, January 15, 2000 10:52 AM<BR><B>Subject: 
    </B>Microsoft<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Product that MS delivers is far superior and as 
    far as an operating system goes, there is no other game in town. 
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Should a company be penalized for producing 
    superior products??</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Jeff" <jcob3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: Reuters DataLink and Symbol Changes
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 05:00:59 -0500
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>If you do not change the symbol, when the symbol 
reverts to the original, the downloader should fill in the missing data.&nbsp; 
My experience is with Qwest Communication which recently changed its symbol to Q 
from QWST when it changed exchanges.&nbsp; I did not change the symbol for a few 
days and did not download any Q data as a result.&nbsp; When I finally did 
change the symbol, the downloader filled in the missing days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Good Trading</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Jeff</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Charles Kalb &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:chaskalb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>chaskalb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>MetaStock List &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:26 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Reuters DataLink 
    and Symbol Changes<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=3>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3>I'm hoping that someone has some 
    direct experience with this service specifically for classes of securities 
    that might go through a sequence of symbol changes, e.g.&nbsp; from the 
    original symbol to a new symbol, then eventually back to that same original 
    symbol. This is not as far-fetched as it initially sounds. One example <FONT 
    color=#000000>is when the SEC appends a &quot;D&quot; for 30 days after a 
    stock split for Bulletin Board stocks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT><FONT 
    size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000><STRONG>BACKGROUND:&nbsp; </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>I have a question on how The DownLoader (I am using 
    v6.52) works with Reuters DataLink when securities have a symbol change. I 
    will pose a hypothetical Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board (OTC BB) stock with 
    symbol &quot;ABCD&quot; but the question applies to other classes of 
    securities as well. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>The SEC is currently going through a process of 
    requiring OTC BB companies to file financial information. During one stage 
    of that process if the filed forms are not completely acceptable to the SEC 
    an &quot;E&quot; is appended to the company's stock symbol and the company 
    has a certain period of time to supply amended information. If the SEC 
    approves the amended filings the &quot;E&quot; is removed and the company 
    then is considered a &quot;reporting&quot; company. Companies that do not 
    pass this process or which do not file any information are delisted to the 
    Pink Sheets.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>A user determines that a symbol has changed by 
    inspecting the Reuters DataLink Collection Report/Additional 
    Information/Details to list the Security Report.&nbsp; DataLink does not 
    automatically change the symbols, so the user must change them manually in 
    order to continue getting data for that security. The problem with the OTC 
    BB stocks is that, if one is attempting to follow a large number of them, 
    too much time is required to manually keep adding and deleting E's. In the 
    following hypothetical example it is assumed that the user <FONT 
    color=#0000ff><STRONG>DOES NOT MAKE </STRONG></FONT>the manually required 
    symbol changes to his data files.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>Hypothetical Example:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT 
    color=#000000><STRONG>DATE</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    <STRONG>STOCK SYMBOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    DATALINK RESULT</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>Prior<BR>to 
    11/01/99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    ABCD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    DataLink recognizes ABCD and supplies EOD 
    <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    data for it</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>11/01/99 
    through&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    ABCD<FONT 
    color=#ff0000><STRONG>E</STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    DataLink gives error message that ABCD has 
    <BR>11/28/99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    changed to ABCDE and no data are 
    downloaded&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>11/29/99 
    and&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    ABCD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    ???????????<FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>What Happens 
    Here</STRONG></FONT>?????????????<BR>subsequent days</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000><STRONG>QUESTION:&nbsp; </STRONG>If I do not make 
    the manual changes to symbols of my OTC BB data files but continue to 
    attempt to collect daily EOD data for <STRONG>all</STRONG> the stocks in my 
    OTC BB directory/folder (some with E's, most without), will DataLink 
    <STRONG>eventually</STRONG> fill in all the missing data for the periods 
    where stocks had the &quot;E&quot; appended, once the &quot;E&quot; is 
    dropped?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000>Charles Kalb<BR><A 
    href="mailto:chaskalb@xxxxxxx";>chaskalb@xxxxxxx</A></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: to be or not to be
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:07:24 +0100
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<DIV><FONT size=2>A last note on this subject:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>There are several rumours going on that the DOJ will give out 
his FINAL&nbsp;findings report</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>and FINAL ruling somewhere in the next month, eg Febr 
2000.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At that time of publicing&nbsp;of the Final report and the 
DOJ's Final&nbsp;ruling, the Microsoft share</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>and </FONT><FONT size=2>any&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>of its 
other listings, will (</FONT><FONT size=2>have to) be&nbsp;suspended (see also 
further below).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Now:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>-&nbsp;Anyone owning a share(or other listing)&nbsp;ON that 
moment of suspension, </FONT><FONT size=2>will be elagable&nbsp;for any 
payments</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;coming out of any later to be 
filed&nbsp;compansation claims (if these </FONT><FONT size=2>compensation 
actions</FONT><FONT size=2>&nbsp;are also started).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>-&nbsp;Anyone owning a share(or other listing) AFTER 
</FONT><FONT size=2>they will come back into listing again,</FONT><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;are not elegable to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;any results that can stem from any results coming 
out of claim procedures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is standard Exchanges procedure, when a listing's 
rumerous vital information will be publicaly </FONT><FONT 
size=2>announced</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>that can have a large effect on the underlay's 
listing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thus, Buy the stock BEFORE the last final word comes out 
!!!.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A 
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss the 
".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying and<BR>note the new address 
change. Also for my Homepage<BR><A 
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<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A 
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".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying and<BR>note the new address 
change. Also for my Homepage<BR><A 
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    A.J. Maas 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
    title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Metastock-List</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> zaterdag 15 januari 2000 
    23:47</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: to be or not to be</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I am speaking from a user and shareholder's point of view, 
    and not forgetting what is right and what is wrong. That makes me&nbsp;a 
    happy go round type of private person and part-owner. Whatever covered 
    </FONT><FONT size=2>communism is to be brought upon me or my properties, 
    will be met accordingly. The DOJ is a biased state employed marrionet, that 
    probably not personaly, but indeed combined with his mates, the Gov+States, 
    will figurerarly&nbsp;bleed for his actions or any by him taken 
    actions,&nbsp;that will or can at any way and at any time damage my own 
    (intellectual) possesions and properties, eg shares and stuff.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A 
    href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss 
    the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying and<BR>note the new 
    address change. Also for my Homepage<BR><A 
    href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A href="mailto:jehardt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
      title=jehardt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Joseph Ehardt</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
      href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
      title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> zaterdag 15 januari 2000 
      18:10</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: to be or not to be</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>I don't think I have anything mixed up. More likely is 
      that I have read the publicly distributed Findings of Fact in DOJ vs 
      Microsoft and am more familiar with American law.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: I am&nbsp;assuming US law not to be any different 
      than laws elswhere. If there is to be an unsatisfactory outcome coming 
      from this dispute, then the European Commission has got some artillary it 
      wants to throw at Microsoft too. In that, laws are laws. Again, this 
      artillary is&nbsp;intervering with one's private properties and free 
      enterprise. As such the Shareholders Association here in the Netherlands 
      and its sister organisations elswhere in the EuroCommunity are ready 
      to&nbsp;fully head-on attack the EC's Commission, naturaly with endless 
      claims to follow. Claims that will be coming in from around the globe. 
      Where these Governments around the globe seems to team up (the EC has a 
      deal with the US Fed, to await the outcome first), more many is in the 
      hand of shareholders. Enough to break societies</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>and their Governments to realy go into bankruptcy. Now 
      how will that effect the consumer ??</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>From your comments, which are pretty&nbsp;far ranging, I 
      think you might not understand what Microsoft did with respect to Compaq. 
      It also did similar things with other companies. But let me return to 
      Compaq, because it helps to understand the facts as revealed by 
      Microsoft's own internal documents as made public in the 
      trial.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: Microsoft is at liberty to end licences for their 
      software as they wish. So is Compaq at liberty to develope their own 
      software. If their to lazy or not aggressive enough or not financed 
      enough,&nbsp;then they should seek advise from professionals, as to how to 
      be succesfull in software too. Also Compaq is at liberty to refuse to sell 
      Microsoft products with their computers too, and let buying an OS&nbsp;up 
      to their own customers. Not a very clever thing to do, but its their right 
      and choise. The negative side of this is that Microsoft might than not 
      sell enough of its software, and than that would be up to Microsoft to 
      solve. Here Microsoft has done its homework, where Compaq </FONT><FONT 
      size=2>enriched its executives while they&nbsp;did not do their homework, 
      eg were failures and ought to be sacked. Just see how easy Dell surpassed 
      the utherly simple selling techniques Compaq enherrited from the late 80's 
      and were the co is to log and&nbsp;did not adjust. IBM for that matter is 
      an equal example. Not all brains and a lot of company arrogance. Good on 
      them. Gives other users a chance to buy much cheaper PC's with the same or 
      in the case of IBM, much better advances and qualities. </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Question: What right does Microsoft have to demand that 
      Compaq not use Netscape at its personal browser? Compaq was installing 
      Internet Explorer on systems sold to customers, which should have made 
      Microsoft content, but it had adopted the internal company standard of 
      using Netscape which predated IE. Microsoft demanded that this 
      end.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: All the right in the world. Simply because of the 
      fact that Compaq will have to meet the owners standards, in this Microsoft 
      standards (and not ever the other way around) if it wants to gain a legal 
      licensce from the owners of the software, weather this will be Microsoft 
      or for example, Ton Maas.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>If I notice that one of my copyrighted indicators is 
      being sold or being mis-used, I will also sue that person/co, since I have 
      not given out any written permission to anyone to do so or to make any 
      changes to it. It is my (intellectual) property/propriety and I am the 
      only one at right liberty to do with it as I see fit, eg and how I 
      pleases. If I notice for instance, that you want to use it in a weekly 
      magizine's software,&nbsp;for example for its weekly Hot tips-section, be 
      sure that I will take on action to prevend it or come to some sort of 
      arrangement, where "not using SuperChart software" for example could be 
      included in the license.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Question: Switching the context, if you think that 
      Microsoft has this right and you happen to not use Internet Explorer, do 
      you believe that Microsoft has the right to force you to switch to 
      Internet Explorer, and if you refuse, that it has the right to strip 
      Windows off your personal computer and electronically monitor your system 
      to insure that you never install Windows on your system?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Microsoft is not forcing any one to use the Internet 
      Exploder. You can even easy write (f.i. in VB) your own&nbsp;browser. 
      Neither is it also forcing anyone to use its Microsoft Exchange 
      program,&nbsp;you know that very dreadfull program, its to simple MsPaint 
      or NotePad&nbsp;programs. You should feel lucky that these programs come 
      free with the OEM and OSR versions. You are at your own liberty to use 
      these programs or "overwrite" with other perhaps better quality software 
      programs. Also my ISP for instance was also giving its users&nbsp;free 
      licenses for the Netscape v1.0 to v3.0 browsers, whilst anyone 
      using&nbsp;different browsers were not supported. If Netscape had forced 
      these tactics onto my ISP is to be seen and basicaly irrellevent to me, 
      since I could confince the ISP that I didn't need their support, eg since 
      the IE browser wasn't giving me any problems at all and since it seemingly 
      fitted in with my OS, as though "it was there&nbsp;since I bought my PC". 
      And any browser upgrades (note for free as well) were only 
      large&nbsp;improvements, that much that I am still running a in 1997 for 
      the last time installed Win95 OS version and that the latest browser 
      version,&nbsp;the IE5x, just&nbsp; -by itselve-&nbsp;&nbsp;made the 
      just-about-what-anyone-needed upgrade to and especially the by me required 
      upgrade to a "smaller version of Win98". I only miss out on some file 
      maintance tools and some extra window&nbsp;colouring schemes (but then 
      again who needs these).&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>The issue is not whether Microsoft has the right to 
      distribute and sell its products, nor is it that Microsoft owns the rights 
      to these products. No one has argued that it does not. The issue that has 
      been adjudicated, re-stated in different terms, is whether Microsoft had 
      the right to use its monopoly power to force people to buy its product 
      when they do not wish to do so. Microsoft was interfering with the right 
      of individuals and companies to freely choose other products.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: Ofcourse it has these rights since it is protecting 
      its property. Assume you don't have car-jacks in the States? Where the 
      rightfull owner of a car gets forced by a car-jacker to get out of 
      his/hers&nbsp;car, and the car-jacker takes off with the car. Now how 
      would you feel? Having protective&nbsp;tools with you, can prefent you to 
      loose your car, eg it is after all your rightfull pressious property, aint 
      it? Or should we say "Please do get in......".</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>In business life its not different,&nbsp;therefore 
      common sense (that is if you/company have any) teaches you and co's to 
      protect your/their property(ies).</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Another example: IBM has an office application suite of 
      its own (Lotus) that it put on computers that it builds. Do you think that 
      Microsoft has the right to force IBM to replace its own Lotus software 
      with that of Microsoft Office?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: IBM doesn't have to sell Microsoft software. They 
      have their own&nbsp;dreadfull OS, named OS2. IBM can than also install 
      their&nbsp;too simple and too basic Lotus program on their PCs too. PC 
      that do not work properly, an OS that doesn't work properly and an office 
      suite that no-one wants, nice combination to hit the All Time Highs on the 
      stockmarkets, ain't it? Remember too that you as shareholder are 
      part-owner&nbsp;of that company too? Unless US laws differ from 
      elsewhere.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>There are more examples that were proven during the 
      course of the trial, and they are all contained in the Findings of Fact 
      document. Personally, I want my right protected to freely choose products 
      and services as guaranteed by the law. I refuse the assertion that any 
      company has the right&nbsp;to coerce me to buy its products.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: You too have the right(not the obligation) to tell 
      the shopkeeper that you do not want Microsoft software. It is then up to 
      the shopkeeper to refund you for</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>missing the OS, which since its only a US $50 cost, he 
      most likely will not do. Tell him that you will go to the shop next-door, 
      and perhaps you can pursway the salesman. Else when you are at home with 
      your new PC, un-install Windows. Whatever you do after is up to you, and 
      not the reasponsability of Microsoft, the former shopkeeper(s) or anyone 
      lese, no it is all in your own hands, free and at liberty to isntall other 
      software, eg like the above mentioned OS2, PCDOS, UNIX,LINUX, and several 
      others that are around. That said, good luck with it.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe if your information sources were not from press 
      accounts, then you might have a more circumspect understanding of 
      Microsoft's actions.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>TM: The whole issue here is not Microsoft, but the 
      arrogance of other co's and especially Governments(like said that holds 
      the largest amount of true monopolies)</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>and their teamsters, the so called independent states. 
      If other co's want&nbsp;to be succesfull at something, then first they 
      should show and be an aggressive player, have intrest to develope new 
      things, want to change their inside attitudes,&nbsp;seek advise from real 
      professionals that can scan the company on its faults and employ the right 
      workers.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>If not, then they are take-over candidates, of which 
      formentioned companies will then be the victum.&nbsp;Besides all this 
      said, I couldn't give a heep if IBM, Compaq or whatever co for that matter 
      goes down, they call it upon themselves, and it is never&nbsp;due to other 
      co's that do all in their power and make the right efforts to meet up with 
      the above criterea.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT 
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>Subject: What is a Trend(Downs)?
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:52:24 GMT
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>All,
>
>Traditionally, we are taught that a trend involves higher highs and higher
>lows for an uptrend. In "Trading for Tigers", Walter Downs states that for
>an uptrend to be in effect todays high must equal the highest high of "n"
>trading sessions and todays close must be greater than yesterdays close.
>Questions:
>1.Has anyone else read the book?
>2.Does anyone have any thoughts on this uptrend definition?
>3.Has anyone coded Walters indicators into Metastock?
>
>Thanks,
>J.
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