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Hey David,
Thanks for your comments. I will never post my trading statement. That
is nobody's business. But I will give you a synopsis of my trades and a
discussion of how I trade and what makes me tick. See e-mail to Rick.
Six months of consistently good trades doesn't make a track rrecord.
You're right.
However, I do not percieve the way I trade as being risky, to the
contrary I see it as a conservative strategy that nets not so
concervative results. Again, see my letter to Rick. It'll probably be
the last one I post on this site. My style doesnt't suit the majority
of people on this thread. That's OK.
I wish you all lots of success. Anyone wishing to contact me can do it
direct.
I need to say one last thing. Securitytrader.com is a legitimate and
absolutely wonderful website with well intentioned people. Please don't
let my brashness stop you from seeing what they have to offer. Please
don't punish them for what you see as my shortcomings.
I'll be back at you in a year or so and we'll see if what I do works.
Until the, I thank all of you for your comments and continued success to
each and everyone.
Doc
>
> Hey "Doc",
>
> ...you said "I posted proof of trades." Uh, no, no you didn't. Actually, you wrote this:
>
> On Friday last you could have bought the AOL 160 February option call
> contract for 1/16 during the first hour of trading. A couple three
> hours later that same contract was trading at 1 9/16 (check it out if
> you don't believe me). One hundred contracts would have cost you
> $ 625 and returned you $ 15,000. One thousand contracts would have cost
> you $ 6,250 and returned you $ 150,000. There's your 2400% for that
> month in less than three hours.
>
> You actually posted a POSSIBLE scenario where a person MIGHT have made a butt load of money.
> But you didn't say that YOU did this and you CERTAINLY did not post anything CLOSE to "proof of trades"
> as you assert.
>
> I am going to assume you are well intentioned and not trying to raise business for this not-so-reputable web site.
> (I say that because it is most DEFINITELY NOT reasonable to take someones credit card number for a "FREE" trial.
> As a matter of fact I think it smacks of fraud and might be enough to attract legal scrutiny. anyway...) Assuming you
> are a good guy may I point out that trading as you do IS VERY RISKY and that 2 months of trading that way IN NO WAY
> PROVES ANYTHING, except that you most certainly have been LUCKY. Maybe you ARE on to something, TIME WILL
> BE THE JUDGE. I strongly urge you (a good guy) to tone down; you might be due for a few bad trades next, like we ALL
> hit from time to time. Will you come back to this list telling us of your losers then?
>
> Guy Tann and JimG and Steve Karnish and Richard Estes (where did he go folks?) have EARNED RESPECT on this list.
> You can't get where you want to go (sharing and helping others) by making posts in the manner you have done so far
> (I think I counted fifteen (15) posts from you so far). You want to be credible on this list with your ideas?
>
> POST YOUR TRADING STATEMENT.
>
> ----------
> From: Docteur[SMTP:docteur@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:22 PM
> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
>
> Steve,
>
> See yah.
>
> Got no time for people like you. Too many courteous, gentle and sincere
> people out there willing to learn.
>
> BTW, I wouldn't be caught dead using a bar chart. They tell me nothing.
> They are worse than useless.
>
> You just keep doing what you are doing. What the heck do you need me
> for You're satisfied, right?
>
> If you ever change your mind and want to look at an alternative way of
> doing things, look me up. Until then, keep your sarcasm to yourself.
>
> I posted proof of trades. But for people like you it will never be
> enough. Because you know it all already...
>
> Doc
>
> Doc
>
> Steve Karnish wrote:
> >
> > Doc,
> >
> > Enough! Stop soliciting a commercial site in all your emails. We get the
> > picture. Wow, they draw candlestick charts. Wow, they talk about technical
> > patterns just like in Edwards and Magee. Wow, after seven days you pay for
> > exactly the same thing most of us draw everyday. Some of us (Jim G &
> > others) even post charts for free (what a concept). I'm all dying to hear
> > your war stories. As soon as I get done being so giddy about these new
> > technical revelations (bar chart analysis and candlesticks), I'd love to
> > digest the "blow by blow" description of your 2800% month.
> > Can't wait to hear your theory on money management.
> >
> > Respectfully (kinda),
> >
> > Steve Karnish
> > CCT
> > ----------
> > > From: Docteur <docteur@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
> > > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:30 PM
> > >
> > > Hi Guy,
> > >
> > > "Technical Analysis of Stock Trends" by Edwards and Magee (7th Edition
> > > only) and "Candlestick Charting Explained" by Morris.
> > >
> > > Best place to get thses books is www.barnesandnoble.com. Faster,
> > > cheaper and better service by a long shot from their competitors.
> > >
> > > Also, spend some time at www.securitytrader.com
> > >
> > > Doc
> > >
> > >
> > > Guy Tann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doc
> > > >
> > > > What 2 books? I must have missed that post.
> > > >
> > > > Guy
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Docteur
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:18 PM
> > > > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guy,
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong here but probabilities are for gamblers. If you
> > > > would learn candlestick patterns and technical analysis per those two
> > > > books I recommended you study, you could learn to trade profitably
> > every
> > > > day.
> > > >
> > > > Managing money is no more than learning to read patterns and setting
> > > > your entry and exit points in the right spot. I buy bottoms and sell
> > > > tops all the time. My mentor does it almost 100% of the time.
> > > > Impossible? Nope. Gospel truth.
> > > >
> > > > Program trading is a waste of time. Keep going double or nothing and
> > > > pretty soon it'll be nothing.
> > > >
> > > > You said you have the knack for picking the absolute wrong time to
> > > > increase your positions. Well, so do most other people! But that's
> > > > when those of us who know what we are doing short or put that stock you
> > > > are buying (or vice versa).
> > > >
> > > > Again, it's not rocket science. Just tried and true patterns that have
> > > > been working for centuries. Japanese candlesticks have been successful
> > > > for more than 250 years!
> > > >
> > > > Guy, the truth never changes. It just is. What works then, works now
> > > > because it's based on human psychology and crowd behavior. And we both
> > > > know those never change. Just learn the patterns. Again the best
> > place
> > > > to start is www.securitytrader.com and those two books I recommended.
> > > >
> > > > The head trader at Securitytrader, Ryan Thomas, is nothing short of a
> > > > trading genius. He grabs tops and bottoms with so much regularity
> > you'd
> > > > think he was psychic. He has taught me SO much in the last six months
> > I
> > > > can't even begin to tell you about it.
> > > >
> > > > I used to be like you. Selling bottoms and buying tops and then I got
> > > > really angry about that and set out to find a way to make money
> > everyday
> > > > in the market. I knew there were people out there doing that and I was
> > > > going to find them, hell or high water. And I did. They're at
> > > > Securitytrader.
> > > >
> > > > Trust me on this. I earned 2600% on my account in November and 1200%
> > in
> > > > January (I took December off). I'm not trading this month so I can
> > just
> > > > focus on reviewing what I've learned to date and hone my skill even
> > > > more.
> > > > I know I can make money anytime I want, up or down because I don't have
> > > > a system, I have what works.
> > > >
> > > > Listen, I'm an educated man and have made millions in other businesses.
> > > > This stuff works. Don't take my word for it, go to the website listed
> > > > above and just watch their picks for a week (that's thelength of a free
> > > > trial). You'll be amazed at how often we take profits!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not an owner of the website but a paying member. But Ryan and his
> > > > partner have taught me so much I could never repay them. So I tell
> > > > everyone I can to check it out.
> > > >
> > > > I gotta go eat now. You're about the 100th e-mail I have answered
> > > > today.
> > > > Go for excellence and quit wasting your time with bullshit timing and
> > > > probability programs. What we do works! Prove it to yourself.
> > > >
> > > > And remember, the truth will set you free...free to work when you want
> > > > and how you want as often as you want. Remember, you can trade from
> > > > anywhere in the world and if you're good at it, you can trade from your
> > > > yacht anywhere in the world.
> > > >
> > > > Continued success.
> > > >
> > > > Bye,
> > > >
> > > > Doc
> > > >
> > > > Now darn it, check out what I'm saying and quit wasting your time with
> > > > probabilities. I mean are you a trader or a speculator/gambler?
> > > >
> > > > Doc
> > > >
> > > > Guy Tann wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Doc
> > > > >
> > > > > Our trading methodology is a little different. We play probabilities
> > and
> > > > > try to stay in the market all the time. Either long or short the
> > S&Ps.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have a 75% rate of profitable trades and generally do fairly well.
> > > > What
> > > > > happens is that we start to feel omnipotent after making several
> > > > successful
> > > > > trades in a row, and we start to double up on our positions as soon
> > as we
> > > > > could afford them. ALWAYS bites us in the rear. :) We seem to have
> > the
> > > > > knack for picking the absolute wrong time to increase our positions.
> > I'm
> > > > > going to start spending a lot more time studying the money management
> > > > using
> > > > > our trading techniques.
> > > > >
> > > > > Guy
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Docteur
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 7:55 AM
> > > > > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Guy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the hardest part of trading is money management. With enough
> > > > > effort anyone can learn to read patterns and trends but it's the
> > > > > disipline and the managing of those trades (take small losses, keep
> > to
> > > > > your plan, set those stops {both profit and loss} that's the real
> > part
> > > > > of trading.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doc
> > > > >
> > > > > Guy Tann wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to just make the trades and not do the stupid things I
> > > > usually
> > > > > > do, like doubling the size of our investments as we make more and
> > money.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > really need to work on money management. The system will take care
> > of
> > > > > > itself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Docteur
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 8:18 PM
> > > > > > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trick is not to be a bear or a bull but to ride the horse in
> > the
> > > > > > direction it's going.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ride the trend my friend and make money both ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not wise to "be" something when that something isn't
> > profitable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Proverbial is for philosophers, not traders...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guy Tann wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Congrats
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Being the proverbial bear, I'm constantly amazed when my longs
> > > > > > > continue to make money at these levels. Can't quite believe the
> > move
> > > > > > > today, but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Guy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim Greening
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 7:49 PM
> > > > > > > To: Metastock
> > > > > > > Subject: AOL, CSCO, & WMT
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All,
> > > > > > > Not a bad day <G>. I wasn't surprised when my buy stop for
> > CSCO
> > > > > > > was hit at 98 5/8, but I was definitely surprised when my buy
> > stop on
> > > > > > > AOL was hit at 165 1/8. That was 5 points above Friday's close
> > so I
> > > > > > > didn't even send the AOL chart out Saturday. Then it went on and
> > > > > > > gained another 8 points after it hit my buy stop. Talk about
> > > > > > > momentum!
> > > > > > > HD didn't hit my buy stop, but WMT barely closed at a new
> > all
> > > > > > > time high. Therefore, I'm going to cancel my GTC buy stop on HD
> > and
> > > > > > > buy WMT in the morning instead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JimG
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