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Thank you, Lionell, for 'putting the EURO on the World Map".

Apart from the fact that Hollywood should recide in the LA area, remain there and
not ever be moved up into(or as close as to) the Washington DC area, cannot see what
someones private life has got to do with doing "your job right", eg a person and his team
are democraticaly elected in there(Office) to run in this case their country, and if they do
this so very well right, then what is wrong for them to have some in private life strange
preferenced entertainments, different then what others might prefer and most of all,
what has that got to do with anyone "doing their jobs right" or with politics in general?

A kicking out procedere should be started if that person or his team-members are
making such a mess of it, that the countries' welfare or defence is at risk, leading
country into havok internaly or with its nabours, and also not for any minor reason, eg be
it pyromanical (ab)use of or only smoking the cigars or whatever these goods are capable
to do/produce or also lying for the better to "Daddy" Congress to something this very minor.

So as the above doesn't apply here, people can decide for themselves on the man and/or
his team when they are going to elections, eg the peoples official cival rights, for voting
with their feet on someone that might not be doing his job right, eg use the elections as
that is what they were legaly invented and made for and set out to do.
And now also looking economical or defences or cival wise, did they make a mess of it?
Did the US country went downhill in the past decade period creating any (local or worlwide)
chaos?
Not that I know off, contrairy, the country is in very good shape, very well run(as it should be),
and its high welfare levels alone speaks up in multiples for this. And note that the world hasn't
seen any major cival wars since the WW2 or have not seen any of the very bad "mistakes"
like Vietnam.

Thus, do not "under estimate" the internal strength of the everywhere beloved United States
and its US$. It has proven this century to be a very well respected reserve valuta and it will
stay that way forever in the future.
For that, its economy and democracy thrives and are very well based on good leadership and
are worlwide mutualy respected. EuroLand does come in close to this, will further into the
future have to prove itselve(among one of this is if it is willling to do so in the outsetted
cohesiveness and duration!).

The US$ will just have a brother "reserve" being put next to it, and hopefully the 21st century
will see more of these "reserve" babies being born, eg the awakening of the Asian and Latin
countries currencies to form their own separate main valutas and for these then also to
become part of "the reserves" family. The remainder African nations will then only have to do
the same.
 
The EURO birth will not only get rid of the old hat political unstabilities and undecisiveness
Europe has seen, brought forward and been through throughout the past 2 centuries, but will
also create a more whealthy natural competition among the participating countries, eg the
focus can now be set by all to perform at their best economical and technological progress
levels, instead of the endless rows of political-like non-performing and non-productional debatings
(or further back in history the endless row in continents cival wars, starting with the Romans, to
only form the one single Euroland).

Decission making will speed up any processes, and under the 18th century like Tatcherism
and other conservative systems Great Brittan has had to suffer badly from this as well, therefore
am not at all surprised that the country has lost its reserve importance in the World,
economically it remained small and has outputted itselve all the time on a 'so far away' island.
But changes here are also gladly on its way for the better, with the ever dynamic, democratic
and therefore also social very accepted Tony Blair not ruling but running his country turbo
charged into the new prosparity land and century.
Many odd steps will still have to be taken by them, as yet, but at least the country's decission
makers and its wonderfull citicens are pointing into the right direction and are dying to see
a next but now a for the better century.

In the Netherlands alone, plenty of "Englishmen"(eg US, AUS, NZ, SA, GB, Scots, Welsh and
Irishmen) are happily  -ever after-  living(or is true for any other nationality for that matter), and
also this community binding discipline will turn this continent in and creates for an unanymous
prosperous EuroLand, with ofcourse an accompanying strong EURO as a whealthy reserve
valuta to go with it and worlwide to be reckoned with. 
   
Regards,
Ton Maas
ms-irb@xxxxxx


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lionel and Gail Issen <lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: zaterdag 13 februari 1999 13:57
Subject: Re: Moaning about Shame


>As investors we should concentrate on the economic and long term
>implications of events on the political scene.  The charade in Washington
>is an example of the greater stupidity of one political party over another.
>Seducing or being seduced by women has never been considered an impeachable
>offense.  If it were, almost all of our presidents would/could have been
>impeached.
>
>The Brits are making the same mistake about the Euro that they made about
>joining the European Common Market back in the 1950's.  Back then, the
>Europeans were so anxious to get Britain in that they were willing to make
>many concessions to Britain.  When the Brits finally realized that it was
>in their interest to join the Common Market, De Gaulle humiliated them by
>vetoing any special concessions to them.
>
>Now its the Euro.  The Common Market and a common currency is leading to a
>united states of Europe.  Every country will have less sovereignty than
>before, but better conditions than existed before. Just as in this country,
>Texas "lost" its independence to become part of the US, so will Britain
>"lose" more of its independence by accepting the Euro.
>
>Our leaders should move quickly and intelligently to protect and enhance
>the position of the $ as the reserve currency.  Since recent events have
>shown that our political leaders of both parties are neither very
>intelligent nor able to move quickly,  the Euro is destined to become the
>reserve currency.  In the 19th and the first half of the 20th century the
>British pound was the reserve currency, in the second half of the 20th
>century the US dollar became the reserve currency, in the 21st century it
>will probably be the Euro.
>
>
>Lionel
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Animal <animal@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: Metastock User Group <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Realtraders User Group
><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; t-bondtrader@xxxxxxx <t-bondtrader@xxxxxxx>
>Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Shame
>
>
>>So while the Demos where touting their victory as rulers of the pig pen,
>>does the markets action of today imply a vote of no confidence in the
>>senate's action --- or was it just disgust?  As it is said  be careful
>what
>>you ask for...you just might get it.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: T-Bondtrader <t-bondtrader@xxxxxxx>
>>To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: Shame
>>
>>
>>>>Today I am ashamed to be an American. I'll never look on the rule of law
>>>the
>>>>same way again. My father risked his life for this country in WW2 and
>our
>>>>leaders can't even perform the job that they have sworn to do. Throw me
>of
>>>>the list. It would be a small price to pay for truth.
>>>>
>>>>Brent
>>>
>>>
>>>Many on this side of the fish pond will completely understand your
>>>thinking, because our politics and the behaviour of those who have been
>>>voted into power, in this country,  are now of much the same ilk.  This,
>>>however, is a trading forum and those who read it are only interested in
>>>anything that impacts trading.  As a result, most would say that the
>recent
>>>activity of the Senate and the stance taken is nothing to do with
>trading.
>>>
>>>However, arguably, the leader of the nation (and if and when there is a
>>>change) is very much a matter for the markets and the fact that Clinton
>>>will now go on for the next two years, will probably impact well on the
>>>whole investment area.  As a result, it can only be hoped that he will
>want
>>>to be remembered as a President who did something particular, of major
>>>value, rather than the man who coined the phrase 'inappropriate
>activity'!
>>>
>>>My hope would be that he might see the potential vunerability of US
>Dollar
>>>versus the Euro as a danger to America's world leadership;  that he
>decided
>>>to ensure that the dollar should maintain its position as the reserve
>>>currency of the world.  To succeed in that endeavour, it will be
>necessary
>>>to keep Sterling as the number two (rather than it join the Euro) and
>this
>>>is something that will be applauded by Englishmen everywhere, as the only
>>>means left of our keeping our national sovereignty.
>>>
>>>So how ever distastful recent events must be for Americans, in
>particular,
>>>and other onlookers around the world, in general, there is still an
>>>opportunity for some good to come out of it all - including the markets
>and
>>>those involved in them.   It is vital for freedom that America and its
>>>currency leads the world and so it is absolutely necessary that the Euro
>>>venture remains a secendary project.  And so, de factum, ensuring that
>the
>>>British Pound is saved.
>>>
>>>Bill Eykyn