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<DIV><SPAN class=240585903-06101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Ton</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=240585903-06101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=240585903-06101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Thanks 
for the chart.&nbsp; Little hard to read, but it sure looks like it's on the way 
down..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=240585903-06101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
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    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On 
    Behalf Of</B> A.J. Maas<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, 1998 2:54 
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Cc:</B> rijt, wil v.d.; Rene 
    Dennesen; Onno Goedknegt; m.jonker@xxxxxxxxxx; LuudMaas2; KLPD, Jan; Jan 
    Diederik Haas de; derksenf; Jan van Diessen<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
    Interesting Charts<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Steve, Guy, Jim e all,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>&gt;With regards to the 
    market, could it be that the DOW is currently <BR>&gt;completing a head and 
    shoulder pattern with the current sideways<BR>&gt;movement between 8200-7400 
    being the right shoulder? If so,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>&gt;neckline is at 7400 and if we break that, target level 
    would be</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>&gt;around 7400-(9400-7400) = 5400.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>&gt;5500 is also where some kind of significant support is 
    located.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>See attached GIF(DJ981005.gif)</FONT> 
    <BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Have you tried, now, after it has been well 
    downbroken, to recreate the former and<BR>the next, but lower placed 
    channel,i.e. Multiple Trend Channels ?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>To create:</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Rising Trend Support line(s) can be drawn 
    from ruler-connecting the former major LOWs:<BR>&nbsp; 777 -1st RTSL 
    acceleration starting point in Aug82<BR>2350 -2nd RTSL acceleration starting 
    point in Oct90<BR>3600 -3td RTSL acceleration starting point in 
    Nov94<BR>5200 -4th RTSL acceleration starting point in Jul96() </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>By duplicating the last RTSL, using the 
    MS-&quot;create paralel line&quot; tool, and placing<BR>this line on the 
    last HIGHs, in this the 2x highs in Aug97(8300) and Jul98(9368),<BR>you have 
    the in time rising MAJOR support and resistance by trendchannel.<BR>Since 
    the Price down breach and clear fall out of the trend channel, a new and 
    exact<BR>parallel channel can be drawn and placed below the old channel, 
    applying the same<BR>width of the excisting OLD channel.<BR>In this, where I 
    used to calculate the width and then drawing/copying the line, have 
    found</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>that it is very well to be created, and a 
    lot better and easier easier, by using the MS<BR>build-in Andrews' Pitchfork 
    tool.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Since I have done all this, found that the 
    3td and 4th RTSL's are much alike and as such<BR>have used the 3td RTSL 
    acc-point as main MT-UTC starting point. This as Nov94(3600) is<BR>also the 
    major LOW prior to the outbreak of todays' currently valid 
    InterMediateTerm-UpTrend</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Channel(IMT-UTC).<BR>The Andrews' Pitchfork 
    automatically draws the CORRECT 2nd, new and stapled parallel</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>rising channel now(most important, with 
    exact measurements in width).<BR>Much like as how I usualy draw a new 
    support line by recreating a new, parallel<BR>channels' ST-rising support 
    line(from copying the line placed on top of the current<BR>valid 2 MAJOR 
    HIGHs and then parallel move to previous MAJOR LOW).<BR>The above also valid 
    method is used as you are looking for the IMT and not the ST Trend<BR>and in 
    that, at the most right-hand-side in the chart, they only differ 100 
    points.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>So now we have the new future to be expected 
    MAJOR Rising Support by Trend Line.<BR>Currently 981005 this value is at 
    6520 and in time ofcourse, this will be rising to new higher 
    levels.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>From TUBING the fromer horizontal TRADE 
    ZONES, wich are non-rising trend channels,<BR>also confirms that these Zones 
    are 600 in width. Stapled then gives the next down at<BR>6400-7000, with 
    current 7600-8200 and former at 8800-9400.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>With this example being practice as well, 
    hope to have clearified that it is now, tho<BR>your assumingly H+Ss Reversal 
    Pattern looks like it is being formed, too premature to<BR>consider it to be 
    a valid pattern. It is not certain yet that 7400 would be the neckline<BR>as 
    Oct97(6975) or even Apr97(6357) LOWs are to be considered for future 
    patterns low.<BR>Also it has taken 6 months for the asumed Left S to be 
    developed(Jul97-Feb98), and<BR>transfering this period to this late 
    Aug98(=first attemp), leaves Feb99-next year, to<BR>eventualy clearify on 
    the matter(s).<BR><BR>Now I will start assuming by having the new Bullish 
    Reversal H+Ss currently under<BR>construction with S at 7400, H at 6800, S 
    at etc. etc. if my previous mails targets are being<BR>met(from the above: 
    6400 could be the H as well then). From &quot;old resistance 
    becomes<BR>support&quot; 7000(give or take 200) is next support, thus a 
    valid H+Ss in creation.<BR>Currently and then confirmed, an Irregular 
    Bearish H+Ss Pattern is also developing<BR>with, when valid, an estimated 
    Target 4033 ((6700-2667), as the Hight=2667<BR>(9367-6700 neckline fallout, 
    on the Dutch AEX-index we currently have fully finished off</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>such a pattern). <BR>Tho, considering the 
    above are yet to be developed, this too would be at the present,<BR>all in 
    all be too many premature assumptions.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Current Valid 
    &quot;Statistics&quot;:<BR>7532 = Bearish Reversal H+Ss Target</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>7298 = Diamond fallout Target</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>7121 = IMT Rising Wedge fallout 
    Target</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>6837 = Current Rising Flag-2 in Downtrend 
    fallout Target</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>6520 = Rising Double Channel Support Line(in 
    time, does not neccesaraly have to be hit rightaway)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Note that the above mentioned patterns currently do apply 
    on lots of other Indexes as well, also</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>elsewhere on this globe.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for the Candlesticks-info and cannot agree more on 
    the fundamental alinea contents.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Reg. Ton</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
    size=2><B></B></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B></B></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Oorspronkelijk 
    bericht-----</B><BR><B>Van: </B>Steve Gochuico &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:stevego@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>stevego@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Aan: 
    </B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Datum: 
    </B>zondag 4 oktober 1998 3:38<BR><B>Onderwerp: </B>Re: Interesting 
    Charts<BR><BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE 
    style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT>Ton,<BR><BR>Based 
        on the H and S pattern, I calculated that LU has a target<BR>price of 
        $36.00 also but I am a bit skeptical, that's why I was<BR>hesitant to 
        put a price target. <BR><BR>&gt;Do candlesticks have a way to 
        measure/set targets?<BR><BR>Candlesticks don't seem to have a way to set 
        targets. It's strength<BR>lies in pattern recognition or pattern 
        warnings such as morning<BR>star reversals, evening star reversals, 
        hammer, spinning tops, etc.<BR>The beauty of candlesticks comes out when 
        it is used in conjunction<BR>with western charting analysis techniques. 
        A hammer forming on a <BR>support line or on a 50 day EMA has more 
        significance than one forming<BR>somewhere else.<BR><BR>With regards to 
        the market, could it be that the DOW is currently <BR>completing a head 
        and shoulder pattern with the current sideways<BR>movement between 
        8200-7400 being the right shoulder? Chart attached<BR>below. If so, 
        neckline is at 7400 and if we break that, target level<BR>would be 
        around 7400-(9400-7400) = 5400. Interestingly, an article<BR>from 
        Fortune Magazine dated Sept. 28, '98 said that if the market<BR>would 
        return to it's historical median P/E, it would have to fall to<BR>around 
        5500. 5500 is also where some kind of significant support is<BR>located. 
        Anyway, just some food for thought, this analysis could <BR>be wrong. 
        <BR><BR>Fundamentally, this market needs a correction, it is just way 
        too<BR>overvalued. The first two quarters has seen companies' 
        average<BR>earnings growth around 4% annualized with stocks P/E in the 
        <BR>stratosphere area, example would be Coke(40 P/E) and Gillette(30 
        P/E).<BR>There's just no compelling reason for the market to go up some 
        more.<BR>Read that from Fortune. They could be wrong 
        also.<BR><BR>Anyway, happy weekend to all.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Steve 
        Gochuico<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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