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> Being an exceptional trader is a relatively simple process (I didnt say easy).
Yes, I agree.... trading is simple but not easy .... in the first place I just set out to point out to the forum that a simple approach can still be effective but the philosophers in the forum wanted to take it further.
In the end the way forward, in trading, becomes very narrow......and it is a different narrow way for all of us ..... which is a metaphor for life.
>Being an exceptional trader and for that matter, being a great >person, is someone who does what he says he's going to do, he does >it completely, he does it the way it is meant to be done. In other >words, he honours his words.
... Japanese tea ceremony?
.... Zen archery?
.... Calligraphy?
I should have anticipated you would say something like that.
It is about commitment ... all along my understanding was that I was going to succeed..... I was committed to it before I got started.
It is interesting that last year one trader hinted that they had achieved +20% when the market went -50% (delta +70%) and that is exceptional trading .... and they used a method that I don't think works .... to trade with that method, and to make it work when others can't, is exceptional and takes commitment to the method...... in fact anyone who is great at anything is obsessed with it (I've got the first part right because I am definitely an obsessive trader).
I think this explains why I don't like to talk to other traders privately .... I am too obsessed with my own style to get too close to other traders and I never go into 'in depth' discussion about other styles ... that would be too distracting for me (we can be friends as long as we don't really talk about trading).
I doubt that we will ever share our trading secrets with other traders .... how can we ... it took me years to develop the trading philosophy underlying my style and it is full of subtle nuances ... how can I possibly give all of that to someone else?
What could a committed discretionary trader possibly have to say to a committed optimizer, for example?
I suspect anyone who has been around trading a long time feels the same way about it.
OT:Dennis
- you are correct in that genius can be introverted ... in fact by my observations it may well be introverted more often than it is extroverted.
Your definition is a little restrictive for my purposes but OK for most (not Paul though!) .... I am talking about those mad philosophers who tap into universal themes (energy or archetypes) ... I think Paul senses that geniuses are mad about 'the human condition' .... that definition makes true genius synonomous with altruism ... I have heard that those who are blessed with altruism make a conscious choice as to whether to be extroverted or introverted altruists ..... extroverted altruism is considered to be the Supreme Path .... if I meet one I will ask them :-)
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Ho" <paul.tsho@xxx> wrote:
>
> IMHO being a great trader and being a genius is independent of each other
> Being an exceptional trader is a relatively simple process (I didnt say easy). Being an exceptional trader and for that matter, being a great person, is someone who does what he says he's going to do, he does it completely, he does it the way it is meant to be done. In other words, he honours his words.
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
> >
> > My dictionary says a genius is a person with EXCEPTIONALLY GREAT creative or intellectual powers i.e. something more than just great.
> >
> > IMO we use the word far too readily in modern society ... I reserve it for someone who makes a mark on the World stage, like Da Vinci, Einstein. Mozart etc.
> >
> > I don't think stock market trading qualifies as a great endeavour that is significant to world events but the only 'trader' I know who stands head and shoulders above the rest is Ralph Vince.
> >
> > In my trading I have benefited off the back of Vince, software developers, forum members and other traders etc and then springled in some of my own work, of a minor nature.
> >
> > It is quite normal to have, and use, our creative faculties and to be influenced by the work of our peers ..... "no man/woman is an island".
> >
> > Herman - yes, that's right ... someone said something about 'the little children" :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, reinsley <reinsley@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > And the definition of a genius is that he is in advance in his time.
> > > That implies that he serves nothing...
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Herman a écrit :
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And it takes a simpleton to see what no one else sees ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > herman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:09:58 PM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> A smart engineer can figure out a complicated solution to a problem.
> > > >
> > > >> It takes a true genius to find a simple elegant solution. ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> BR,
> > > >
> > > >> Dennis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:57 PM, brian_z111 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have a free website that offers a small sampler of my trading
> > > >
> > > >> >> >flavour (it is new site and only a part time hobby)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> http://zboard.wordpress.com/ <http://zboard.wordpress.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > BTW the Zboard is where I post as much of my original trading
> > > >
> > > >> > philosophy as I can, time permitting, without giving away the
> > > >
> > > >> > material that is of core value to me ..... it is supplemented by
> > > >
> > > >> > bits and pieces (resource links etc).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > Don't be fooled into thinking I am a simpleton just because my
> > > >
> > > >> > approach is simplistic...... I could be but the proof requires
> > > >
> > > >> > further evidence!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> For me AB is an environment (software, forum, developer,
> > > >
> > > >> >> associates)..... since trading today is synonomous with computer
> > > >
> > > >> >> trading the combination keeps me in touch with, and gives me
> > > >
> > > >> >> insight into, trading and the trading community.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> IMO, while all of the best traders in the world aren't necessarily
> > > >
> > > >> >> in the forum, AB owners are a cross section of the cream of the
> > > >
> > > >> >> trading crop ..... however, based on the number of users == approx
> > > >
> > > >> >> 9000 (Tomasz has confirmed that forum members approximtes the no.
> > > >
> > > >> >> of users) the majority of them are silent (there is rumoured to be
> > > >
> > > >> >> a large contingent of fund managers/institutional traders but
> > > >
> > > >> >> Tomasz hasn't confirmed that in the forum to my knowledge).... so
> > > >
> > > >> >> by inference I consider 'I have a line' to stay in touch with what
> > > >
> > > >> >> is going on in the world of trading.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> By it's nature AB attracts algorithmic traders and people with an
> > > >
> > > >> >> IT background or interest.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> Judging by the discussions, between those AB'ers who do talk,
> > > >
> > > >> >> mechanical system trading is a common interest .... almost a 'rite
> > > >
> > > >> >> of passage' in fact ....even 'discretionary traders' are measured
> > > >
> > > >> >> by their rejection of, or juxtaposition to MST.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> I think you can also draw a line through the AB trading community
> > > >
> > > >> >> by referencing the three main areas of specialization, and the AB
> > > >
> > > >> >> mentors associated with them:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> Howard Bandy - Quantitative Analysis ... walk forward backtesting.
> > > >
> > > >> >> Herman van den Bergen - autotrading.
> > > >
> > > >> >> Fred Tonetti - Intelligent Optimization.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> The following site is substantially built on Herman's, and his
> > > >
> > > >> >> partner Al Venosa's, contributions and also includes an intro to
> > > >
> > > >> >> Fred's work (see item 12 in the Contents list ... Fred also has
> > > >
> > > >> >> downloadable files in the file section of this board).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> http://www.amibroker.org/userkb/ <http://www.amibroker.org/userkb/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> Howard has his own site:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> http://www.quantitativetradingsystems.com/book.html
> > > > <http://www.quantitativetradingsystems.com/book.html>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> My approach isn't that relevant to many since it is based on my
> > > >
> > > >> >> temperament, skill set, objectives, capital and where I live etc:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I am a small capital freelance trader (semi-retired at 52 but not
> > > >
> > > >> >> on trading money).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have used AB primarily to develop my trading philosophies and
> > > >
> > > >> >> strategies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have my own unique style.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I am not an algorithmic trader.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I use a set of mental rules so I am not a discretionary trader
> > > >
> > > >> >> but I would look like one to any trader looking over my shoulder
> > > >
> > > >> >> when I trade.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have stock selection criteria .. for some strategies I scan EOD
> > > >
> > > >> >> data afterhours to chose a stock or watchlist for the next days
> > > >
> > > >> >> intraday trading..... I can just as easily trade an index or a
> > > >
> > > >> >> commodity as a spot price 'index' (don't like futures with expiry
> > > >
> > > >> >> dates etc).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I mainly trade intraday or short term (I believe in high
> > > >
> > > >> >> frequency trading for statistical smoothing of equity).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I can trade without AB, or any indicators on the chart if I want
> > > >
> > > >> >> to, in fact I think it is better not to use any..... this is very
> > > >
> > > >> >> handy because I can trade with any broker who provides an online RT
> > > >
> > > >> >> chart (I don't need to apply indicators in the brokers platform so
> > > >
> > > >> >> I can select my broker for 'business' reasons and not software
> > > >
> > > >> >> needs).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - If I do use an 'indicator' they are more of a visual cue than a
> > > >
> > > >> >> true indicator.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I believe in mental training (training the trading mind) and I
> > > >
> > > >> >> like to use AB for that ... consistent hours per week looking at
> > > >
> > > >> >> charts and practising ... especially the stocks that I didn't
> > > >
> > > >> >> follow that day OR other instruments to get some variety into my
> > > >
> > > >> >> training
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I prefer to trade stocks, or stock derivatives (Australia or
> > > >
> > > >> >> Europe), but I can trade anything (however I don't need to or want
> > > >
> > > >> >> to trade other instruments/markets) e.g the US is the best market
> > > >
> > > >> >> to trade but I live in Australia and don't want to work after
> > > >
> > > >> >> approx midnight (my time).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I use my own wave 'theory' (if it could be called that) and view
> > > >
> > > >> >> the markets as being almost random.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - My overall style is simplistic but what went into is complex in
> > > >
> > > >> >> that it encompasses a lot of subtle ideas developed over a long
> > > >
> > > >> >> period of time and combined into a single method.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have spent most of my time in AB looking at charts (80%) and
> > > >
> > > >> >> the rest testing strategies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I seldom run the backtester although I did a lot of BT in
> > > >
> > > >> >> Metastock before moving to AB (I do most of my strategy testing
> > > >
> > > >> >> using indicators and Exporations with occassional use of Excel for
> > > >
> > > >> >> record keeping and charting).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - If I use AB live at all it is only to run charts that correspond
> > > >
> > > >> >> to my brokers charts (cross checking or different timeframes etc
> > > >
> > > >> >> for visual cues that I can't get on my brokers Java platform).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have no interface from AB to my broker at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - My Aus based broker is the one who most meets my needs (no
> > > >
> > > >> >> foreign bank exposure, no interest charge on same day trades, high
> > > >
> > > >> >> leverage, trade with a palm device if needed, multi-national and
> > > >
> > > >> >> multi-instruments on one platform with the main ones in Aussie
> > > >
> > > >> >> dollars == no forex exposure or management).... can't have all of
> > > >
> > > >> >> that and use AB!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I don't have a need to learn most of the things that I take an
> > > >
> > > >> >> interest in via this forum ... I continue to learn to keep my
> > > >
> > > >> >> options open and keep me flexible and alert.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I don't have much need for further development of systems etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - AB is my last stockmarket program ... I will retire from here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I am interested in the R project because I like open source and
> > > >
> > > >> >> it has a very good basis to develop trading applications on ... I
> > > >
> > > >> >> might do some hobby development over there in the future.... AB has
> > > >
> > > >> >> an R plugin too (donated by Patrick).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - IMO looking for successful trading systems or strategies is like
> > > >
> > > >> >> looking for a needle in a haystack .... I can count the strategies
> > > >
> > > >> >> that work, that I know of, on one hand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I am out of step with the trading status quo .... most of it is
> > > >
> > > >> >> smoke and mirrors and very seductive at that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> - I have a free website that offers a small sampler of my trading
> > > >
> > > >> >> flavour (it is new site and only a part time hobby)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> http://zboard.wordpress.com/ <http://zboard.wordpress.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> Thought for the day:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> "In Japan all English research is translated into Japanese.
> > > >
> > > >> >> In the US only 5% of Japanese research is translated into English."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> Sang Wang.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > "Conrad Joach" <consolejoker@>
> > > >
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >>> Do most AB users actually trade with AB or is it used mostly for
> > > >
> > > >> >>> research? And do most users focus on equities or are there a fair
> > > >
> > > >> >>> number of FX, futures and commodities traders who use AB?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >>> Are people using AB in concert with some other platform or
> > > >
> > > >> >>> application or do most AB users rely on AB solely for their
> > > >
> > > >> >>> research and trading needs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >>> Are most users individual/active traders or are there any
> > > >
> > > >> >>> institutional firms that are using it in their research or trading
> > > >
> > > >> >>> pipeline?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >>> It would be interesting to get a feel for what the userland is
> > > >
> > > >> >>> like for AB. It seems like a very diverse and wide audience from
> > > >
> > > >> >>> some of the posts on this forum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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