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Re: [amibroker] Re: OT: Computer recommendation for AB optimizing



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Hello,
 
Recently I have listened to interview with Mark Russinovich (they guy behind all Sysinternals tools including
DebugView that many of you use for _TRACE() output), he works for Microsoft for more than a year and
he was speaking about what they did to kernel in Windows 7
 
So based on what he says, the ability to multitask better on larger number of processors/cores is only included
in Windows 7 because of dispatcher spin lock redesign. 
 
Now, it is possible (I heard such rumours) that SP2 coming up to Vista later this year, includes some of
improvements made to Win7. But I don't know.
 
All in all, these improvements should only give visible advantage when running 32 cores or something like that,
so I don't think if regular user should be worried about all that :-)

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: OT: Computer recommendation for AB optimizing

Ozzy --
What makes you think that, given the same hardware, Vista64 allows you to run more instances of AB than XP64?

TJ --
Thanks for your comments on the subject.  Admittedly, I didn't understand how he was doing the testing.

All --
Once again I would like to suggest:
"How about writing some benchmarks in afl?  I assume the code wouldn't have to be very complex, nor would it have to be for any sort of 'winning' system.  Just something that everyone could run and we could get some comparative speed results."  We might also need to make a static artificial data base so that everyone was running the same test.

That would help many of us when it comes time to buy a new, or update an older, computer.
-- Keith

ozzyapeman wrote:

Thanks for the clarification.

My understanding then, based on what I can gather from the net, is that Windows Vista 64-bit will give me the sole advantage of allowing me to run many more instances of AmiBroker, especially with the i7 processor and 12 GB of RAM, vs on WinXP.

In that way, I can run more large optimizations simultaneously, without running out of memory, thus saving a lot of time overall.

I had come across one article that tested as much, with other 32-bit apps running on XP32 vs Vista64, and the difference in multitasking ability was huge.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx> wrote:
>
> Those Windows Vista tests were made using Microsoft SQL server.
>
> AmiBroker does NOT use Microsoft SQL server or any other 3rd party DB.
> It uses own original low-level database that is highly specialized
> for quote processing is pretty independent from operating system.
> It works equally well on every Windows version
> (starting from Win95 and ending at Windows 7).
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ozzyapeman" <zoopfree@xx.>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:17 AM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: Computer recommendation for AB optimizing
>
>
> > Whoa. Just read that article. Seems that WinXP 64 makes better sense by far to drive my new Intel i7 PC. The speed difference is
> > quite significant. I might have just wasted money shelling out on a Vista 64-bit installation disk.
> >
> > Is Amibroker 32-bit pretty stable on WinXP 64? I only have experience running it on WinXP 32.
> >
> > If I only plan on running AmiBroker 5.24, TWS 892, and other basic 32-bit trading tools on the PC (and maybe Firefox and Outlook),
> > would WinXP 64 be the way to go, or are there hidden disadvantages in going with that OS?
> >
> > I am aiming for the fastest backtesting platform possible.
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com, Keith McCombs <kmccombs@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dingo --
> >> Please read
> >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/22/03TC-windows-multicore_3.html
> >> for some comparisons between Vista64 and XP64.
> >> -- Keith
> >>
> >> dingo wrote:
> >> > 50% longer for AB to run - hardly believable.
> >> >
> >> > d
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Keith McCombs <kmccombs@
> >> > <mailto:kmccombs@>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A few personal thoughts:
> >> > 1. The 2.93GHz costs $470 more than 2.66. I doubt that very many
> >> > of us can tell the difference without a stopwatch.
> >> >
> >> > 2. I don't know about running AB, but in many published speed
> >> > tests, Vista64 takes about 50% longer than XP64.
> >> >
> >> > -- Keith
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ozzyapeman wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks. I was looking into i7 based-PCs. But aren't all i7's
> >> >> quad-cores to begin with? And apparently the OS sees an i7 as
> >> >> 8-core due to the way it's designed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dell seems to have a good deal on i7 XPS desktops at 2.93 Ghz
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com
> >> >> <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>, dingo <waledingo@> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Intel dual core i7 with fast clock - AB only uses 1 core. 3gig
> >> >> mem. Intel
> >> >> > SLC flash (if you've got the money otherwise WD Raptor). Medium
> >> >> video card.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > d
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:57 AM, ozzyapeman <zoopfree@> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I should add that I need to run exhaustive optimizations, as
> >> >> opposed to
> >> >> > > CMAE or using Fred's IO, as my variables are discontinuous -
> >> >> not traditional
> >> >> > > indicator-type variables.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In my parallel dream life, I run AB Ultra Professional 7.0 on
> >> >> 8 state of
> >> >> > > the art graphics cards, with thousands of processors, 500,000
> >> >> times faster
> >> >> > > than good old AB 5.24.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > But I digress. ;-)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In the real world, what is the best I can do?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com
> >> >> <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>, "ozzyapeman" <zoopfree@> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Now that I am just about trading full time, my main PC has
> >> >> become a
> >> >> > > dedicated trading computer. That only leaves me with a clunky
> >> >> second PC
> >> >> > > (6-years old) for doing offline optimizing. And it's waaay
> >> >> too slow.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > So I am in the market for a new PC, and want to get
> >> >> something powerful,
> >> >> > > but don't want to overpay for stuff that won't be used. For
> >> >> example, 8GB of
> >> >> > > RAM sounds great, but if WinXP only uses 4GB (or 3?) then I
> >> >> imagine the
> >> >> > > other 4 GB just goes to waste?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > If I plan to use this PC mainly for offline optimizing and
> >> >> backtesting,
> >> >> > > what are the recommended specs? I want as much speed as I can
> >> >> possibly get.
> >> >> > > My optimizations tend to be humongous, taking days on a quad
> >> >> core.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Any hardware gurus please feel free to chime in:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > - RAM?
> >> >> > > > - Quad-core vs Eight-core?
> >> >> > > > - OS?
> >> >> > > > - HD type (flash vs mechanical)?
> >> >> > > > - any other hardware/software suggestions for increasing speed?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks!
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
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