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Hi Thomas,
read carfully, plaese.
On 32 bit OS AB (32bit) can access 2GB or 3GB vm depending on the /3GB
switch. That is the limitation because of the OS!!!
On 64 bit OS 64 bit AB can access 8TB of virtual memory (LARGEADDRESSAWARE
is turned on, but correct me if not!)
On 64bit OS 32 bit AB can access 4GB of virtual memory because of WOW64...
This is the only case when 32 bit AB access 4GB of vm! But that is because
of 64bit OS and an emulated 32 environment.
Regards,
Y
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From: "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:49 PM
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22 BETA x64 edition
> Hello,
>
>> This is why a process can access only 2GB of effective virtual memory.
>> This
>> is the limitation of all Windows OSs.
>
> False.
>
> Before you start to speak up, you should actually check the facts better.
>
> Read about LARGEADDRESSAWARE
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wz223b1z(VS.80).aspx
>
> and this:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb147385.aspx#The__LARGEADDRESSAWARE_flag
>
> AmiBroker 32 bit is compiled with LARGEADDRESSAWARE
> and can address full 4GB.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yofa" <jtoth100@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22 BETA x64 edition
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> to clarify it a bit. In 64bit Windows there is no 4 GB limit!
>>
>> In 32 bit only 4GB of physical memory can be addressed. That is a
>> limitation
>> of 32 hw.
>> In 32 bit mode only 4GB of virtual memory can be addresses. That is a
>> limitation of 32 hw/sw as well.
>> Windows processes "run in VIRTUAL memory". Windows allocate half of
>> virtual
>> memory to the process the other half to the kernel.
>> This is why a process can access only 2GB of effective virtual memory.
>> This
>> is the limitation of all Windows OSs.
>>
>> To overcome these limits MS and Intel intoduced /PAE switch. PAE
>> increases
>> the amount of addressable PHYSICAL memory.
>> MS also introduced /3GB switch that changes OS behavior to allocate 3GB
>> of
>> virtual memory to the process and 1GB to kernel.
>>
>> In 64Bit OSs the physical memory is limited according to the OS version
>> (XP,
>> Vista, Server 2003, etc.) It varies from 4GB to 2TB!
>> The virtual memory has a limit of 8TB (if code does not intentianally
>> limit
>> it) for process address space and 8TB for kernel!
>> In 64bit there is no /3GB nor /PAE switch!
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx
>> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEdrv.mspx
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Y
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike" <sfclimbers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22 BETA x64 edition
>>
>>> Interesting. I was unaware that the limit bumped all the way up to
>>> 4GB on 64 bit OS. Thanks for the clarification.
>>>
>>> I was wanting to link to one of your earlier posts where you provided
>>> an example of the modification needed to the boot.ini file to take
>>> advantage of this on 32 bit XP. But, Yahoo advanced search is still
>>> broken :( so here's a Microsoft support page for those interested:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;833721
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> For your information: AmiBroker 32 bit is compiled with
>>> LARGEADDRESSAWARE option
>>>> and can use FULL 4GB of RAM on 64 bit Windows and 3GB of RAM on 32
>>> bit Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>>> amibroker.com
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike" <sfclimbers@xxx>
>>>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:40 AM
>>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22 BETA x64 edition
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Historical reviews suggest that in general there is little to no
>>>> > difference to running 32 bit applications on 64 bit Windows,
>>> though I
>>>> > don't know about AmiBroker specifically.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1857476,00.asp
>>>> >
>>>> > The biggest advantage is probably that you can fill your machine
>>> with
>>>> > lots of RAM and run multiple instances of AmiBroker, each running
>>>> > against its own maximum of 2Gb of memory, rather than all
>>> instances
>>>> > sharing the same 2Gb as would be the case on a 32 bit OS.
>>>> >
>>>> > (Technically, the 2Gb maximum of 32 bit OS can be extended to 3Gb
>>> when
>>>> > setting the right flags. Sorry can't provide link right now since
>>>> > Yahoo search is messing up).
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike
>>>> >
>>>> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "gabriel_id@" <finance@>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi there,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If i use regular 32 bit version.. on a 64-bit version of
>>> windows..
>>>> > how
>>>> >> fast will be the optimization process using CMAE against
>>> 32AB/32Win
>>>> > ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>> >> GV
>>>> >>
>>>> >> AB rocks :D
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>
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