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OK, thx for clarifying. Perhaps I've been a bit to strict on this 
point-of-order, i.e. nothing personal. Find your contributions 
useful, and your background interesting.

Indeed, enufsaid.

PS
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@xxx> 
wrote:
>
> PS,
> 
> To put your mind at rest, my requests were submitted via the 
feedback
> centre before this thread started... #1517 & #1512.
> 
> Now, lets not waste anymore screen space on this!
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vlanschot" <vlanschot@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually I did, and my reaction is as much aimed at TJ as others. 
My 
> > argument is valid: this thread has become a growing list of 
requests 
> > and suggestions. It should have/be moved as OT. I'm not making 
the 
> > rules of engagement for this group, I'm just pointing them out to 
> > keep some order. This should be TJ's responsibility.
> > 
> > PS
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > PS...
> > > 
> > > If you'd read the thread from the beginning you'd realise this 
was
> > > never meant as a discussion about 'requesting features'. The 
title 
> > of
> > > the thread is obvious. The reason it went 'off on a tangent' is
> > > excatly because TJ intervened and REQUESTED feedback on charting
> > > features. Please read the FULL thread before pulling the 
trigger.
> > > 
> > > Now, back to the original topic...
> > > 
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vlanschot" <vlanschot@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And there you have it. . . The most important statement of 
this 
> > whole 
> > > > discussion: the FEEDBACK centre is the place where each and 
> > everyone 
> > > > of us can submit their "request". I find it very annoying 
that 
> > some 
> > > > people somehow think that their request should get more 
attention 
> > > > than others, and decide to post/discuss it in this group. 
Imagine 
> > > > what would happen if we all think like that. Also, having the 
> > > > pretention to think that you somehow can categorize and rank 
how 
> > > > people (should) use AB and prioritize enhancements . . . 
> > Ridiculous. 
> > > > If you want change, vote for it at the FBC or pay for it.
> > > > 
> > > > PS
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate all suggestions and there is really no problem
> > > > > in adding new features provided that there is demand for 
them.
> > > > > I specifically asked for charting suggestions, as this is 
way
> > > > > more "subjective" thing than backtesting and other rule-
based 
> > tools.
> > > > > Discretionary traders seem to be very sensitive to all those
> > > > > little details and aesthetics. These are are sometimes easy 
to 
> > > > develop
> > > > > sometimes not, but unless you hear the feedback it is not 
> > possible
> > > > > to know what every single person uses. 
> > > > > So again, feedback is appreciated. If possible and not too 
time 
> > > > consuming
> > > > > for you, I greatly appreciate filling the issue via 
feedback 
> > > > center. If not,
> > > > > I can keep track on my internal list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > > > amibroker.com
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@>
> > > > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: 'Rule Based' 
versus 'Discretionary' 
> > > > trading...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > How97,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I agree. You've stated nothing that I haven't already.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do use other software... MarketDelta & have been 
looking at 
> > > > Ninja
> > > > > > with a market profile plug in as an alternative.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Like others, I'm not desperately keen on using multiple 
> > software
> > > > > > systems. I'd rather try and get it under one roof. And 
the 
> > truth 
> > > > is it
> > > > > > really wouldn't be hard for TJ to add some of that 
> > functionality.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm adding my voice to a largely dominant rule based 
crowd... 
> > I 
> > > > hope
> > > > > > you're ok with free expression of wishes and ideas...??
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think others have also made it clear on this thread 
that 
> > they'd 
> > > > like
> > > > > > to see some more functionality on the charting side too.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "how97" <101.158294@> 
wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I believe it is clear that the large majority of the AB 
> > users 
> > > > want 
> > > > > >> to have the possibility for rule-based trading, 
backtesting, 
> > > > > >> automatic analysis, automatic trading etc. For that 
group 
> > > > Amibroker 
> > > > > >> is just excellent and it is constantly enhanced in these 
> > > > > >> possibilities. And that is what the large majority of 
its 
> > users 
> > > > > >> wants. And AB strongly supported by its users and driven 
by 
> > > > their 
> > > > > >> wishes.
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> The large majority of users is clearly not the 
discretionary 
> > > > > >> traders. These may need better or specialized charting. 
That 
> > may 
> > > > > >> well be. If this better charting software exists already 
as 
> > you 
> > > > are 
> > > > > >> saying, why are you not using it, why did you come here 
to 
> > AB? 
> > > > What 
> > > > > >> were you looking for? 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> I think it is also a clear preference of Tomasz to 
develop 
> > AB 
> > > > into a 
> > > > > >> direction where most of its users wants to ahve it. And 
that 
> > is 
> > > > > >> good. A lot of the stuff in AB is much too complex if 
you 
> > are 
> > > > just 
> > > > > >> looking for other kinds of charting. So why bother? You 
need 
> > to 
> > > > use 
> > > > > >> a different software. 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> By the way: In my opinion AB allows excellent charting.
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> Regards
> > > > > >> how97
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "sidhartha70" 
> > <sidhartha70@> 
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > From my perspective, and this is really why I 
connected 
> > > > charting to
> > > > > >> > the ideas of 'rule based' vs 'discretionary' 
trading... if 
> > you 
> > > > are 
> > > > > >> a
> > > > > >> > discretionary trader, from a software perspective it 
is 
> > ALL 
> > > > about
> > > > > >> > visibility. If the software you are using doesn't or 
can't 
> > > > give you
> > > > > >> > the best visibility available then you are at a 
> > disadvanatge. 
> > > > You
> > > > > >> > can't make sensible discretionary trading decisions 
> > without 
> > > > being 
> > > > > >> able
> > > > > >> > to see how current market structure has evolved, what 
> > market 
> > > > > >> dynamics
> > > > > >> > are at play, how the auction process is evolving at 
> > different 
> > > > time
> > > > > >> > frames etc..etc.. You simply don't get that from bar & 
> > candle 
> > > > > >> charts.
> > > > > >> > 
> > > > > >> > Hence my obsession with Market Profile & Equivolume 
and 
> > > > generally 
> > > > > >> more
> > > > > >> > accessability and adaptability to AmiBroker's charting 
> > > > facilicites.
> > > > > >> > 
> > > > > >> > Currently it's a fabulous piece of software, 
particualrly 
> > > > for 'rule
> > > > > >> > based' traders.... But probably a less fabulous piece 
of 
> > > > software 
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >> > discretionary day traders for example. But of course, 
I 
> > > > appreciate,
> > > > > >> > it's hard to be all things to all men...
> > > > > >> > 
> > > > > >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ken Close 
<ken45140@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > One simple suggestion for charting improvement:
> > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > >> > > Put in the ability to insert a "Tab" character in a 
> > Title 
> > > > > >> statement
> > > > > >> > in order
> > > > > >> > > to make it easier to produce multi-line tables 
> > > > with "columns" 
> > > > > >> left
> > > > > >> > justified
> > > > > >> > > no matter how many decimal places in previous values 
in 
> > the 
> > > > same 
> > > > > >> row.  I
> > > > > >> > > have done it via complex IIF statements but how nice 
it 
> > > > would be 
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> > insert
> > > > > >> > > the code for a tab character to create columns.  No, 
I 
> > do 
> > > > not 
> > > > > >> want to do
> > > > > >> > > this with the gfx commands (too complex for this 
> > > > application).
> > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > >> > > Ken 
> > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > >> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > >> > On Behalf
> > > > > >> > > Of Tomasz Janeczko
> > > > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:33 PM
> > > > > >> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] 'Rule Based' 
> > versus 'Discretionary' 
> > > > > >> trading...
> > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > >> > > Hello,
> > > > > >> > > 
> > > > > >> > > Not wanting to hijack this thread but whenever I ask 
> > about 
> > > > some 
> > > > > >> itemized
> > > > > >> > > list of what is exactly "weak" in AB charting, I 
don't 
> > > > receive 
> > > > > >> any
> > > > > >> > > meaningful reply. I would really want to know some 
> > objective 
> > > > list
> > > > > >> > instead of
> > > > > >> > > statements I heard on ET that "charts are ugly" 
which 
> > for me
> > > > > >> > unfortunatelly
> > > > > >> > > means nothing, considering the hunderds of ways 
charts 
> > can 
> > > > be 
> > > > > >> customized
> > > > > >> > > according to user taste in AB.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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