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There are so many permutations that I don't believe we (retail
traders) can trade them away .... different story if the big boys get
on to it and it is significant to them (what is a crumb to them can
feed me for a year).
We seem to have gravitated to a similar area (not surprizing because
there are only so many ways to go and eventually we find them
all) ...I dare say your method is a more efficient way of doing it
compared to mine .... I start conceptually....wondering where they
could be ... then looking in the charts to see if they appear to be
there.....and then use the computer to confirm/test it (do the
logic)..... your analytical skills are away ahead of mine (you can't
put 20+ years into 4 years, even with good shortcuts)..... I am
experiencing development fatigue at the moment so I am going to
plateau for a while and stay with what I have now....optimization and
AT are mountains to climb on another day.
Thanks for helping the forum with a few things from your kitbag.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Fred Tonetti <ftonetti@xxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> Regarding the "holes" . yes I agree . most of the short term
trading I do
> involves these sorts of strategies which I typically find as part
of a
> generalized pattern recognition routine which in turn is driven by
> intelligent optimization .
>
>
>
> From my perspective this was most of the reason to have intelligent
> optimization as opposed to just being able to find robust parameter
values
> for some static system .
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf
> Of brian_z111
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:10 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Anyone actually making money?
>
>
>
> > I was however
> >lucky enough
> > to find this hole in the 90's and utilize it up through '03 .
>
> Inefficiencies of this nature i.e. not mathematical inefficiencies
> but those based on the behaviour of market participants, are still
> around today.....the details are different but the theme is similar
> (how the big boys create opportunities for the retailers who snipe
on
> the fringes)... they are even present locally i.e. within the US
> markets.
>
> There are still big holes out there that involve entirely different
> strategies, to the one you mention.
>
> re shorts
>
> There are always short opportunities out there .... in stocks.
> They are not as deep, as a bear trend trade, if they are only
> a 'countertrend trade' ....say 0.5% intraday 3/5 days a week (wait
> for the good ones)... the limit to what is good is the commissions
we
> pay (I assume US retailers can get below my commissions...in
reality
> I can only go to IB or an exotic 'local' dealer.... and I assume US
> insiders can go way below what US retailers pay)....also the
counter
> trend trades are not so prolonged (play intraday shorts instead of
1-
> 3 bar shorts).
>
> The reason I say stocks is because there are only a few commodities
> and mainstream FX traded .... if oil is bearish all of Chicago is
on
> its back and the crowd who are playing it are hard arsed
bastards....
> on the other hand there are some many stocks that the attention is
> not so concentrated and small retailers get a chance to play a bit
> more.
>
> The reason I say intraday is because, as I have said before, this
is
> the irrational market .... where the word trend takes on a whole
new
> meaning.
>
> I have been interested in this subject for a while because I have
an
> instinctive desire to avoid risk and I could see from the start
that
> if I could cut out the 'random bearish acts of the market Gods'
> (that could plunge my account by 10%, say, once every 7 years, that
I
> would be a long way towards a good, and steady, long term
> performance.... deep down I would like to be a permanent bear but
in
> practice I have found it hard to buck the bull bias of markets ...
> but eventually if one perseveres!
>
> re market inefficiencies:
>
> I believe that there are some inefficiencies in the market (so far
I
> have found two) that will NOT GO AWAY in the next 10 years (which
is
> when I retire from trading)... I don't say they will last forever
> because the mechanics of the markets are changing quickly, due to
> technology etc, so I won't predict beyond my ten year window, but,
> possibly they will go on after that as well.
>
> brian_z
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com, Fred
> Tonetti <ftonetti@> wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Believe me this is NOT where I normally operate . I was however
> lucky enough
> > to find this hole in the 90's and utilize it up through '03 .
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't expect to ever see another system that consistently
> produces profits
> > like that especially with those kind of DD's ever again .
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as WF testing is concerned this something I always did .
but
> this
> > wasn't available as an automated tool until it existed in IO some
> 4 - 5
> > years ago and then again sort of more recently in AB .
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding short opportunities at the time . Not using the same
> methodology (
> > See my last post ) . There were very few short oriented MF's and
> none like
> > the kind that I was trading . There still aren't AFAIK .
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of brian_z111
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:13 PM
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Anyone actually making money?
> >
> >
> >
> > Fred,
> >
> > Thankyou very much.
> >
> > I was hoping you would give us an indication of the range where
> > you 'normally' operate, and where you think we can go sometimes.
> >
> > That's the most authorative and open answer, on "how much", I
have
> > seen in my 2 years in the forum.
> >
> > Presumably if you weren't doing 'walk forward adjustment/tuning'
of
> > your system then, and you are know, then you must have found that
> > works better than what you did back in those days.
> > In that case, my estimation of what WF tuning can do for a system
> is
> > a long way off the mark, and not correct (I figured that around
30%
> > was the limit for that approach and maybe 50% for the top guns -
> raw
> > non-leveraged that is).
> >
> > Re your system:
> >
> > Thanks for the offer but I'm O.K and I have a rule only to use
what
> I
> > can figure for myself anyway.
> >
> > Plus I have another rule about efficient use of time so I won't
> take
> > up yours, or mine, on old leads.
> >
> > Re selling systems:
> >
> > I have thought about doing it myself and basically came to the
> > conclusion that I would only do it after I retire from trading,
> would
> > limit it to 100 people, charge $10000 per head and filter the
> > interested for aptitude (run a website with free basic training
> that
> > they have to pass before they can subscribe to the pay per view
> > section of the site).
> >
> > People would probably think that $10k was over the top but that
is
> a
> > dirt cheap price to turn someone with 100K into a millionaire
> within
> > a few years.
> >
> > Now I have virtually gone off that idea altogether.
> >
> > Reasons:
> >
> > - trading is a high performance event and it takes so much
> > energy/focus that at the end I will be tired of it and not have
the
> > energy for students
> > - very few people have the aptitude for super trading performance
> and
> > if they did would make it on their own anyway
> > - I don't have the patience for the complaints/whinging/volume of
> > emails that would be bound to occur
> > - you can't put all of those years of experience into a can
> > - our style ends up becoming so personal that you can't graft it
> onto
> > someone else
> > - if I am that good I won't need the money and can just help
others
> > out here and there via forums like this
> > - very few people actually listen to what they are being taught
> > anyway (a lot of them would go out/do something that I didn't
> > advocate/lose their money and blame me)
> > - etc
> >
> > Re Why don't traders, who get more than 30% plus go and work for
a
> > Fund?
> >
> > - they don't need the money
> >
> > - I spent years working for an institution and 'retired' to work
> for
> > myself, from home, instead
> >
> > - once you get there you will find they will try to make you
change
> > your methods, no matter what they say before hand (there will be
> > institutional rules)
> >
> > - the clients of the Funds don't have tolerance for drawdown and
> pull
> > their money (pressure is heaped on the trader)
> >
> > - I couldn't possibly do it as I have a rule not to tell other
> > traders what I am doing (at the core) OR listen to their ideas
> about
> > what I should be doing (it messes with my head) adn they won't
put
> > you on unless you tell them all about it and then go into
meetings
> > where they kick your ideas around.
> >
> > > with less than 3% DD's trading the long side only as there was
> > >nothing to
> > > trade on the short side
> >
> > I think there are always short opportunities around, in any
market.
> > Perhaps your 'rules for what consitutes a playable short' were a
> bit
> > tight in those days ....
> > counter trends can be traded but they are not as deep or
prolonged?
> >
> > Re market makers etc
> >
> > I have thought for a while that sharing info with the retail
> traders
> > in the AB forum wasn't what I had to fear but rather
the 'insiders'
> > who will get infront of your trades OR who are milking the edge
off
> > well known plays before the retailers can get at them.
> >
> > On the plus side ...nature abhors a vacuum so if they are milking
> it
> > another edge will appear somewhere else.
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com, Fred
> > Tonetti <ftonetti@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Possible ? . Sure . I never said it wasn't possible . I only
said
> > systems
> > > like this are not for sale .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally I had a bunch of years from mid 98 - mid 03 when I
> made
> > 250+%
> > > with less than 3% DD's trading the long side only as there was
> > nothing to
> > > trade on the short side .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The OOS equity curve looks pretty much exactly like the IS i.e.
> to
> > the point
> > > where you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at an equity
> curve
> > which
> > > part of it was IS and which was OOS .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are interested in what this system was about I'll be
happy
> > to provide
> > > that information which you can backtest on past data as it is
> > extremely
> > > unlikely that similar methodologies will ever be viable again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This was on 50% margin and if the short side were possible
would
> > have put
> > > one in more or less the 1000% CAR range i.e. .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~ 1.25% / Week ( Long Side Only ) ~ 2.5% / Week ( Long Side
Only
> on
> > Margin )
> > > ~ 250+% / Year ( Long Side ) ~ 5% / Week ( Long & Short on
> Margin )
> > ~ 1000+%
> > > / Year ( 1.05 ^ 52 )
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But that was in the neighborhood of about the largest market
> > inefficiency
> > > possible and for the super greedy even that wasn't enough as
they
> > found
> > > illegal ways to trade systems like this after hours which
> > eventually brought
> > > attention form folks like Elliot Spitzer (LOL) who had those
who
> > were
> > > trading illegally busted and applied enough band-aides to make
> > methodologies
> > > like this no longer viable even within the scope of what was
> legal .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So again . possible ? . sure . The real question is . If you
had
> a
> > system
> > > like this would you or anyone else for that matter sell it ? .
> > Besides the
> > > fact that the more people who knew about it the less likely it
> > would be
> > > profitable, how much is a system like that worth ? .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's see . with $1 mm to trade a system with returns like this
> > over a 5
> > > year period results in . $1 mm * 2.5 ^ 5 ~ $ 100 mm .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So what's it worth ? . How much do you sell a system like this
> for
> > knowing
> > > that after you sell some number of copies of it and the system
> > users are
> > > making real money with it that by definition if the market
> > (Traders / Market
> > > Makers) don't adjust to make this strategy no longer feasible
> that
> > some
> > > entity will be coming along to change the rules so that this is
> > still the
> > > case and as a result will also keep you from employing this
> > methodology.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As a result most systems that are for sale did work SOMETIME .
> but
> > most
> > > likely not any more . for the reasons listed above and most
> likely
> > others as
> > > well .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com
> > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com]
> > On Behalf
> > > Of brian_z111
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:33 PM
> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Anyone actually making money?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > > (let's see) an audited brokerage statement for the last 10
> > years .
> > > >Everything else >is some
> > > > form of fish story which gets better and better as time goes
> by .
> > >
> > > O.K Let's keep it real.
> > >
> > > "I had a dream" (ABBA) is one thing.
> > >
> > > Implementing it is another.
> > >
> > > Do you think it is at all possible for a trader to do 1000%PA
as
> > > claimed at the Robbins-Trading.com World Cup site (Larry
> Williams,
> > > and others, are on THAT record as having done it???)?
> > >
> > > (I understand they claim the RTWC is auditied but I have no way
> to
> > > personally prove that).
> > >
> > > Theoretically:
> > >
> > > 0.5% ave net gain per day - intraday trading - trade 200/250
days
> > of
> > > the year == 100% PA
> > >
> > > leveraged 10* (this is possible outside of USA - not sure about
> > > inside)
> > >
> > > This is boom and bust for sure (Larry Williams was a boom and
> bust
> > > trader???)
> > >
> > > The trick would be to fence in the leveraging risk?
> > >
> > > I don't know about you but if I aimed for 1000%PA then I might
> end
> > up
> > > finding easy ways to get 100% PA and I wouldn't be unhappy
about
> > that
> > > (I would still keep on trying to find ways to do four figures).
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Do you think it is BS or what?
> > >
> > > brian_z
> > >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> > ps.com, Fred
> > > Tonetti <ftonetti@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Almost anyone can write a system that can produce 30% CAR in
> > > sample .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Entry tests" are better geared to something like . Show me
> your
> > > year end
> > > > audited brokerage statement for the last 10 years .
Everything
> > else
> > > is some
> > > > form of fish story which gets better and better as time goes
> by .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > ps.com
> > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > ps.com]
> > > On Behalf
> > > > Of brian_z111
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:21 PM
> > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> > ps.com
> > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Anyone actually making money?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick,
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou very much.
> > > >
> > > > You have been around a while and must have seen it all and
> heard
> > it
> > > > all several times over.
> > > >
> > > > I liked the article.
> > > >
> > > > I have been over and around this trade many times, but not
> using
> > > > those particular indicators.
> > > >
> > > > I still learnt 1 or 2 new things and reinforced some others
> > > > (sometimes you need a fresh view of an old problem to open
your
> > > eyes
> > > > to it a bit wider).
> > > >
> > > > I agree with his core trading philosophies e.g. his idea
> > > of "Reality
> > > > Based Logic".
> > > >
> > > > If I was recruiting some upcoming traders, for a trading
team,
> > the
> > > > entry test would be "show me your 30% EOD equities system"
(for
> > any
> > > > mature economy/market), "now explain to me WHY it works".
> > > >
> > > > It there isn't an underlying logic, based on market
behaviour,
> > then
> > > > it is probably a statistical fluke.
> > > >
> > > > My concern with computer/AT trading is that it is fine when
it
> is
> > a
> > > > means to an end but it could become counter productive if it
> > > becomes
> > > > an end in itself.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't rushed to it because I believe I need to keep
looking
> > at
> > > > the charts to stay in touch with market realities (sometimes
> > > trading
> > > > seems hard but as soon as I look at the charts it is easy
> again).
> > > >
> > > > If I became a computer driven trader I would spend more and
> more
> > > time
> > > > looking at formulas, and computed results lists, and less and
> > less
> > > > time chart reading/market watching.
> > > >
> > > > Re the trade example in the article.
> > > >
> > > > It is based on some of my core trading elements:
> > > >
> > > > - it has a trend (trade with the trend)
> > > > - it has momentum
> > > >
> > > > AND in that situation a big countertrend (pullback), with a
> trend
> > > > continuation confirmation, performs better than a small
> pullback
> > +
> > > > TCC that doesn't break the trend (it is a type of contrarian
> > trade -
> > >
> > > > both pullbacks have a similar W/L but the deep pullbacks
> produce
> > a
> > > > much higher PayOff ratio) - in fact the deeper the better, as
> > long
> > > as
> > > > it doesn't break a key pivot point.
> > > >
> > > > I found the SFO and the tradingacademy sites by googling....
> > > >
> > > > thanks once again.
> > > >
> > > > brian_z
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com,
> > > > "areehoi" <areehoi@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian.
> > > > > You have given Louis (and others) some excellent advice.
You
> > may
> > > > find
> > > > > an article on Trading Systems appearing in the current
issue
> of
> > > SFO
> > > > > magazine (I'm not sure you receive it in Australia)
> > titled "System
> > > > > Trading: Whose on the Other Side" of interest. You'll be
> amazed
> > at
> > > > > the simplicity of a trading system according to the author.
> I've
> > > > > posted it in the files section of the AB Group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick H
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com,
> > > > "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Louis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This could be the longest AB thread ever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some wonderful people gave you some wonderful answers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To help you get some lasting value from it, here is my
> close.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you started in AB you asked me "can we really make
> money
> > > > trading
> > > > > > and how much"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I told you >50% but that you should aim for >30% to start
> > with,
> > > > as a
> > > > > > benchmark.
> > > > > > Others said that was not possible.
> > > > > > Since then I have gone on to say 100% PA is good and 1000%
> PA
> > is
> > > > > > possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you are asking the same question again!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (others have now confirmed they ARE doing over 50% but no
> one
> > > > else is
> > > > > > talking about 1000% yet).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You asked me where you should start and which approach
was
> > > better.
> > > > > > I told you that you should learn in US EOD stocks because
> it
> > > has
> > > > all
> > > > > > of the basic elements of trading right there etc
> > > > > > I said that RT data was a lot harder to handle and not
> worth
> > > the
> > > > > > trouble to newcomers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You went to RT and had trouble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I told you that almost no one trades using 1000's of
> symbols
> > in
> > > > RT
> > > > > > (most long term traders narrow down to the indexes, a
> > filtered
> > > > > > watchlist of stocks, a small semi-permanent list of
stocks,
> > > Forex
> > > > or
> > > > > > Commodities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You tried to use 100's or 1000's of RT stocks for your
> first
> > > > system.
> > > > > > You had trouble with that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I told you it would take years.
> > > > > > Now after only 7 months you are struggling with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this thread I have laid it all out for you (roughly)
> > > although
> > > > I am
> > > > > > only saying what others have said in different ways, but
to
> > > close
> > > > out
> > > > > > I will briefly summarise/explain what I have said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Method:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) isolate the key skills required to trade
> > > > > > b) practice them repetitively until they become second
> nature
> > > > > > c) positively reinforce your trading alter ego by focus,
> > > > simplicity,
> > > > > > positive thinking, repetition etc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) is the reason that so few succeed.
> > > > > > b) and c) are a piece of cake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It takes so long to isolate the key skills of trading
> because
> > > the
> > > > > > subject is so vast and there are so many conflicting
> opinions
> > > AND
> > > > > > very few, if any, traders who make it will lay it all out
> for
> > > > anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All in all it is like going through a library full of
books
> > and
> > > > > > distilling the info down to a single Readers Digest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The super traders distill it all down to a tablespoon of
> gold.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This takes a lot of time and many don't have what it
takes
> to
> > > see
> > > > the
> > > > > > wood for the trees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After years I have got it down to the last pile of books
> (you
> > > can
> > > > > > easily successfully trade at that level, in fact you can
> > trade
> > > > > > reasonably well if you only make it half way through).
> > > > > > I only managed that because I was lucky enough to be an
> > > intuitive
> > > > and
> > > > > > this helped me find the shortcuts (I didn't have to read
> all
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > books).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So once again, here is my practical advice to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't take on the whole library - it is overwhelming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Take on one section.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Start with US EOD trading, no leverage.
> > > > > > After you learn to get >30% there you can then start to
> learn
> > > > > > leveraging stocks (via options OR Single Stock Futures).
> > > > > > After you learn that then you can quickly and easily
learn
> > > > > > Commodities/Futures etc or whatever you want - the
trading
> > > world
> > > > is
> > > > > > your oyster.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All of the core elements of trading are right there in
EOD
> > > stocks.
> > > > > > If you can't find them there then you are not going to
make
> > it
> > > > > > anywhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re AutoTrading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is like having your car on auto-pilot.
> > > > > > First you have to have a car.
> > > > > > Then you have to learn to drive it.
> > > > > > Then you can say "now I will automate it and put my feet
up
> > > while
> > > > it
> > > > > > drives down the road".
> > > > > > You don't just decide to learn autodriving before you
> fulfil
> > > the
> > > > > > first two steps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not start with commodities?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because you will be trying to learn trading and
leveraging
> > both
> > > > at
> > > > > > the same time plus all of the elements of trading are not
> > > exposed
> > > > the
> > > > > > way they are in stocks (you have the complication of
> > > seasonality
> > > > plus
> > > > > > you are limited to 20-30 instruments).
> > > > > > In stocks you get a much better feel for trading with the
> > > > different
> > > > > > cap levels, different volatilities, sectors and global
> > > > relationships
> > > > > > etc - things you don't see so clearly in other
instruments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not start in RT?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because so much of your time will be taken up with
> > > > software/hardware
> > > > > > issues when you should be focusing on learning to trade
> > (plenty
> > > > of
> > > > > > time for RT once you can trade).
> > > > > > Also - once you can trade then trading RT bars is barely
> any
> > > > > > different - you can go straight on with it (tick trading
is
> > > > something
> > > > > > else again - only suitable for people who are right at
home
> > > with
> > > > IT
> > > > > > skills)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wheh should I learn Money Management?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First you have to get a system that can do >=30% when
paper
> > > > trading
> > > > > > i.e. it does that live, for a reasonable period (on data
> you
> > > have
> > > > > > never seen before).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IF YOU CANT DO THAT FIRST YOU CAN FORGET THE REST AND
GIVE
> UP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then, if you get that far, you need to learn the basisc
of
> MM
> > > > before
> > > > > > you start to trade with real money (you can improve your
MM
> > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > your trading experience but you must now the basics
before
> > you
> > > > start.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Realistically, only those with above average aptitude are
> > going
> > > > to be
> > > > > > able to do that while they are holding down a job (the
> > > magnitude
> > > > of
> > > > > > the task is pretty big unless you have a mentor, a friend
> or
> > > you
> > > > have
> > > > > > the right stuff to skip through it).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the best with your endeavours,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > brian_z
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please excuse me if I don't answer any further questions
on
> > the
> > > > > > subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com,
> > > > "Louis P." <rockprog80@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was only wondering... Anyone actually making money or
> > > making
> > > > a
> > > > > > living
> > > > > > > with AB and trading?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been working on ideas and plans for over 7 months
> now
> > > and
> > > > > > didn't find
> > > > > > > anything convincing yet. I've been searching daily
data,
> > then
> > > > > > hourly,
> > > > > > > 15-minute and now I am into 1-minute data and nothing
> seems
> > > > > > satisfying.
> > > > > > > Been searching RSI, MFI, ADX, MA, HHV, LLV... nothing
> seems
> > > to
> > > > work.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So... Anyone is making consistent money with this, and
if
> > so,
> > > > at
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > timeframe and how do you do it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm beginning to think about switching to tick
database;
> it
> > > > seems
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > 1-minute is too slow for intraday trading. Anyone
making
> > > money
> > > > with
> > > > > > > 1-minute?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Louis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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