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[amibroker] Re: Trading International Portfolios



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Herman,

>again: your posts have no context: no idea what this refers to.

I like to top post, with added relevant paragraphs for important 
points.

For some reason, when I reply to your posts the content of your post 
is not copied across to the reply.

Also - I am a well developed intuitive so, if the environment is 
right (not emotionally peturbed) I know what 'my answer" is almost 
instantly (in this case I didn't read beyond the first paragraph 
because I knew there was nothing in there for me).

I am that used to it and know that I can rely on it for 95%+ accuracy 
that I don't bother going into the detail, unless I want to explain 
it to someone else (for my own use I only detail the conceptual 
aspect and don't need the ratiocinated flow chart).

I do get a bit mentally lazy/tired, in the forum and sometimes I just 
give out the answer without explanation (ratiocination is like 
walking when you can fly there in a helicopter).

I was referring to points made in articles that you linked to:

message # 125041 maketwatch.com

# 125042 money.cnn.com

examples from those links:

# 125041 marketwatch link

Schwab's Center for Investment Research argues that an individual 
investor should only be investing in individual stocks in the first 
place if they can afford to buy at least 30 to 40 different stocks to 
obtain adequate diversification. The foreign component would 
necessitate additional sophistication beyond that, so Schwab believes 
the smaller retail investor still may be far better off in investing 
in ETFs or mutual funds to get that diversification. 

# 125042 money.cnn.com

"(FORTUNE Magazine) ? PREVALENT among U.S. investors not so very long 
ago was the illusion that putting money into foreign securities was 
only for daring risk takers. But in recent years more and more 
Americans have come to understand that having part of your stake 
invested abroad is prudent, lessening risk rather than increasing it. 
Taking a global view paid off for investors during the Eighties and 
should pay off during the Nineties too. It should work well even if 
growth over much of the globe is slower in the Nineties than it was 
in the Eighties, as many seers expect. The case for going global is 
virtually independent of economic forecasts. Diversification's virtue 
is well established, and investing abroad adds an element of 
diversity, across national boundaries. Despite all the 
interconnectedness of national economies, some will be doing better 
than others at any given time, so having stakes in several countries 
spreads your risks. It is pretty certain, moreover, that some 
countries will grow more vigorously than the U.S. during the 
Nineties. Accordingly, there is a good chance that an American with 
well-chosen investments abroad will get larger overall returns than a 
stay-at-home investor. While the U.S. stock market did very well for 
investors in the Eighties, quite a few stock markets abroad did even 
better."

"Quite another species is the closed-end mutual fund. Restricted in 
scope to stocks of a single nation or geographic region, such funds 
have a fixed number of shares, which trade on U.S. and European stock 
exchanges. At times, eager demand can lift prices of these funds' 
shares to premiums well above the underlying market value of the 
portfolios".

"Moreover, European companies are raising their traditionally skimpy 
dividend payouts."

Re dividend payouts:

Some countries/stocks historically pay dividends more than others 
and/or have more stable earnings growth.

I have no doubt that filtering by "stable earnings growth" will 
return above the group. Some traders in this forum have said that 
they trade successfully by selecting fundamentally sound stocks and 
then applying their favourite technical signals to that filtered 
group.

I have no reason to doubt their testimony (refer to Dr John Price - 
Conscious Inversting).

Re investing in different countries



This has its own different risks, as mentioned in article.
I am sure that people can do well with this if they specialise in the 
method.

It is not for me because if we are going to predict movement then 
statistically when can expect to be right 50% of the time.
If a trading method is based on long term trading/prediction then we 
have to wait a heck of a long time to prove we are right and/or 
recover if we are wrong.

Example:

Go to Yahoo finance (US) 
enter BHP.AX >> quotes to open the interactive chart
click on compare >> enter ^AORD >> select >> select US indexes to 
compare
>> select 5 year chart

The ASX outperformed the US market by 100% in the prev 5 years
AND BHP outperformed the ASX by 300% approx (I am guessing these 
numbers).

Then go to YahooFinance >> Investing >> currencies 
enter USD in the top box (currency convertor)
enter AUD (aussie dollar in the bottom)
click on convert
click on the chart to maximise and go to a 5 year chart

The US dollar devalued against the AUD by around 100% in the same 5 
years (or something like that).

Putting them together at least one guy won the lottery in that 
period, using only Yahoo in a local library).

BUT!

Will it continue?

I can't predict the future movement of the AUD or BHP!

If I was a US trader, and climbed aboard that trade now, and we have 
another 5 years like that then great - if we don't how old will I be 
before I recover financially?

IMO that is taking an unnecessary unmanageable risk i.e. those  
things are out of my control.



Re diversification == invest in different markets

What is diversification?

Isn't non-correlation the way to quantify diversification?

That is what I meant when I said that these are old world investment 
concepts.

brian_z



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