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Louis,

I have been an Amibroker user for over 2 years now, and wanted to 
offer a few ideas for you to think about.  I trade equities almost 
exlusively, so my indicators are geared towards stocks more than 
commodities.  Here is one trader's brain dump :)

1. Moving averages work well for me.  If you backtest pullbacks 
(defined however you wish, by % change or by RSI level or whatever 
other indicator you wish to use, not important) you will see how 
stocks act differently whether they are trading above or below 
certain moving averages, say a 200 day SMA, for instance.  I think 
this in itself will give you something to build upon, and open up a 
world of trading ideas.  Larry Connors has some good research in this 
area, while I find his offerings a little too promotional for my 
liking, you can use his ideas and backtest them yourself as I have.

2. Don't resrict yourself to an individual instrument or index, think 
about intermarket relationships.  To that end, try to get your hands 
on ANY Ned Davis Research charts you can find in the public domain.  
It will open another world of ideas in regards to things such as 
moving averages of breadth indicators, to give just one example.  
Also grab "The Quantification Predicament" which earned NDR analyst 
Timothy Hayes the 1996 Charles H. Dow Award.

3. Backtest and use moving averages in relation to sentiment 
indicators such as put/call ratios and the bull-bear type investor 
surveys.

4. If you want to trade breakouts, think and backtest whether it 
makes more sense to buy at the point of a breakout, or after a 
pullback to the point of a breakout (or thereabouts).  I have found 
my success with the later method.

5. You can combine both a trend following and a mean reversion system 
using moving averages and/or breakouts and achieve great results.  It 
is just a matter of timeframes.  Alexander Elder talks about this in 
his books. This trend/reversion fusion is the core of my individual 
stock selection method.

6. Get on the Social Science Research Network and find what you can 
in regards to earnings estimate revisions, momentum, and industry 
momentum (aka - does the group explain the stock momentum anomaly???).

7. Be curious, persistent, enthusiastic, and above all never stop 
imagining new research paths (highs/lows, advancers/decliners, % 
changes, sentiment, analyst revisions, insider buying, COT reports) 
it's all out there waiting for you to backtest :)

Good luck!

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Louis Préfontaine" 
<rockprog80@xxx> wrote:
>
> Thank you Brian for your reply and thank you all for your replies.  
I was
> not looking for an easy answer, but rather what people thought about
> Breakouts and moving averages as main indicators.  Of course I will 
build my
> own system, but I believe knowing what people with more experience 
are doing
> can help.
> 
> Louis
> 
> 2008/3/24, brian_z111 <brian_z111@xxx>:
> >
> >   Louis,
> >
> > As long as you understand I don't deal (intentionally) in the base
> > human emotions (they have no value to me).
> >
> > My philosphical points were addressed 'To Whom It May Concern'.
> >
> > People are totally mistaken if they think there is no relevance to
> > trading in my 'philosphical' post, however few are interested and 
I
> > don't have the time to do the subject justice anyway.
> >
> > My 'easy' answer to you was c) none of the above, but, IMO the
> > problem is that you don't have the experience to make the 
necessary
> > distinctions for yourself (is it my fault that you are in such a
> > hurry?). Also, it is not a good thing to 'lift' your trades from
> > others. People trade best wnen they develop their own 
systems/styles
> > etc so that is why I gave you that answer - it is in your best
> > interests. As well as that, good opinion on this subject abounds 
in
> > the forum and the books you have purchased e.g. Howard has given 
his
> > opinion on the importance of people choosing their own Objective
> > Function and the fact that his recommended approach sidelines 
trading
> > pyschology, so it is not as if the question went unanswered. (I
> > understand that my esoteric answers are not to everyones taste,
> > perhaps not yours, but there are plenty of other people prepared 
to
> > give an opinion.
> >
> > However that is just my answer - there are another 7000+ people 
who
> > can give you any answer they like.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Louis
> > Préfontaine"
> > <rockprog80@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok I was naive; I thought I could simply ask and get some easy
> > answers which
> > > would get me right on track to get new ideas on how to build a
> > hourly
> > > system...
> > >
> > > I'll stick around and try to get some piece of wisdom and maybe 
I
> > will be
> > > able to build something with those that will eventually allow 
me to
> > build
> > > the system I want to build!
> > >
> > > Louis
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/3/21, brian_z111 <brian_z111@>:
> >
> > > >
> > > > (Subjective) investigations into the 'human condition' have 
been
> > > > going on, in parallel with our search for objective truths, as
> > long
> > > > as humanity has been around.
> > > >
> > > > This body of information has been collected and preserved, by 
the
> > > > few, for the benefit of mankind (the many) and consitutes a
> > SCIENCE
> > > > to its guardians, adherents and students.
> > > >
> > > > From that body of WISDOM two principles can be extracted that 
are
> > > > relevant to your comments:
> > > >
> > > > holism is universally persistent (all things are made in the
> > IMAGE of
> > > > the creator)
> > > >
> > > > and,
> > > >
> > > > flowing from that, we derive the principle of CORRESPONDENCE
> > > > (operating principles in one sphere, have their corresponding
> > > > principle in another)...
> > > >
> > > > ...but that is going to far OT.
> > > >
> > > > Over to trading (OR how the above relates to trading):
> > > >
> > > > Over the long term the bias of the (stock) market is a 
function of
> > > > the earnings performance of the component companies.
> > > >
> > > > This is skewed by the behaviour of market participants, which
> > > > introduces randomness to the markets.
> > > >
> > > > The shorter the timeframe the more dominant is 'randomness'
> > (which of
> > > > course is not true randomness).
> > > >
> > > > (If you are interested in the subject of organising 
principles and
> > > > holism Carl Jung's work on Psychological Archetypes is a 
wonderful
> > > > example of how the universal paradigms play out in the 
affairs of
> > > > wo/mankind).
> > > >
> > > > brian_z *:-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com><amibroker%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Ronald
> > > > Davis" <xokie7@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I maintain the view that algorithms exist in nature, and 
that
> > > > people who develop algorighms are only discovering another 
one of
> > > > nature's secrets.
> > > > >
> > > > > When my son first showed me Amibroker several years ago, I
> > looked
> > > > at charts with Stochastics, and RSI, and I became convinced 
that
> > > > mother nature has algorithms that can find the central core of
> > all of
> > > > that volatility.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to discover mother nature's algorighms, but my
> > attempts
> > > > have led me to some conclusions.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ------
> > > > >
> > > > > My results WERE BEST when I "AVERAGED THE LAST SEVERAL 
HUNDRED
> > DAYS
> > > > OF ACTIVITY"
> > > > >
> > > > > and watched the LAST 9 DAYS>of the performance of this 
average
> > of
> > > > hundreds of days.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ------
> > > > >
> > > > > My results WERE LESS GOOD when I "AVERAGED OF LAST 9 DAYS OF
> > > > ACTIVITY"
> > > > >
> > > > > and watched the LAST 9 DAYS>of the performance of this 
average
> > of
> > > > only 9 days.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps someone. Ron D
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Louis Préfontaine
> > > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com><amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:25 PM
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Philosophical question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi group,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just began reading Howard Bandy's book (even though I did 
not
> > > > finish Aronson's book yet...), and a somehow philosophical
> > question
> > > > came to my mind when he speaks about the market's 
inefficiency and
> > > > how we must take advantage of it. He talks both about moving
> > > > averages and breakout, and I was wondering which one of the 
two
> > > > techniques do you think is the more promising for such a 
system?
> > > > >
> > > > > I ask this because as far as subjective technical analysis 
is
> > > > concerned, I am more used with breakout techniques. But the 
real
> > > > inefficiency in breakout techniques comes from time, that is 
if
> > one
> > > > can act quickly enough to make a profit from the sudden 
change in
> > > > price. But from my experience it seems to be more difficult 
with
> > EOD
> > > > or hourly data. And it is less profitable for someone (like 
me)
> > who
> > > > is using options, which tend to anticipate the change quicker
> > than it
> > > > really happens.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving averages techniques, on the other side, seems a bit
> > > > mystical to me, and maybe a bit too simple or too « easy ». I
> > don't
> > > > know much about them...
> > > > >
> > > > > But anyway, my question is: which one of those two 
techniques do
> > > > you prefer, or do you use both for entering a trade, or 
shorting a
> > > > trade? What can be a good way to trade for someone (like me) 
who
> > > > wants to trade hourly data and can't always get the beginning 
of a
> > > > breakout?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Louis
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>



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