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Re: [amibroker] Re: Interactive Brokers plugin policy change



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Re: > If someone has less than $25K, better forget about daytrading.


It is not a decision that is up to the trader: the SEC will not let you day trade with less than US$25,000:


https://www.interactivebrokers.com/Universal/servlet/Registration_v2.formSampleView?ad=day_trading_risk_disclosure.jsp


You will also have to fill in a questionnaire to obtain day trading privileges...


Best regards,

herman


Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 7:15:27 PM, you wrote:


> Hello,


> Lots of misconception I can see. 


> AmiBroker does have direct auto-trading interface to IB http://www.amibroker.com/at/,

> and you should know about that Brian, considering the fact that you

> are UKB contributor together with Herman,

> and Herman is just "using AB as a trading platform" and he is doing daytrading.


> Plus IB has international coverage.


> A "t+3 clearance issue" is different story.

> It just for IB accounts that have less than $25000 funds,

> that is why it is non-issue for traders. 


> If someone has less than $25K, better forget about daytrading.


> US IRA accounts are another story, but as I wrote Daniel, IRA-style delayed clearance

> is on to-do list.


> Best regards,

> Tomasz Janeczko

> amibroker.com

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxxxxxxxx>

> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:51 PM

> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Interactive Brokers plugin policy change



>>> I'm glad to see someone else mention the t+3 clearance issue.


>> I'm amazed that it never seems to get a mention.


>> Sadly I can't see that any daytrader could or would use AB as a 

>> trading platform (unless they have AB >> QT >> a broker other than AB.


>> I guess they use AB for backtesting and go to another platform for 

>> trading OR sit in the chair between an AB screen and a 

>> broker/platform screen.


>> For myself, I will have to start to look at available platforms at 

>> some stage - I am reluctant because of the energy I have invested in 

>> AB and also I don't want to code using online platforms (too easy for 

>> the owner to pinch my code/systems).


>>> My principal use of AB is to backtest trading strategies and there 

>>>is 

>>> no way to take this settlement time into account during a backtest. 


>> Minimizing turn around time between trades is a rule in 

>> my 'essentials' list e.g for short term EOD trade, on the close, I 

>> can get out a little early and get back in next trade the same day 

>> (at Options Express).


>> I do account for it in my system evaluation (I will have to get on my 

>> expectancy soapbox again).


>> a) use expectancy% as the baseline metric (derived from PowerFactor)

>> b) use expectancy * ave time in trade to standardize as PA%

>> (convert to annual return)

>> c) if I have to wait for the next trade of for technical reasons I 

>> can't go straight back in, add the average turn around time to ave 

>> time in trade.


>> Expectancy/PowerFactor/BiniomialSimulation is a beautiful thing - I 

>> hope it is good and the mathematicians approve of it.


>> Even Graham's exposure can be easily managed as above (I tend to work 

>> everything out my own way instead of struggling to come to grips with 

>> other people mysterious or hidden logic (sorry Graham - I wanted to 

>> talk to you about exposure but couldn't fit it in).



>> brian_z


>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "danielwardadams" 

>> <danielwardadams@xxx> wrote:


>>> I'm glad to see someone else mention the t+3 clearance issue. I 

>>> primarily trade in IRAs in which the use of margin isn't allowed. 

>>> Consequently, I always have to wait the 3 day settlement time 

>> before 

>>> my funds from a long sell (can't short in IRAs either) are 

>> available 

>>> to trade again. In "Cash" accounts and with the use of margin this 

>>> isn't an issue as the funds can be reused immediately.


>>> My principal use of AB is to backtest trading strategies and there 

>> is 

>>> no way to take this settlement time into account during a backtest. 

>>> Sometime ago (a year maybe) after I brought this to Tomasz's 

>>> attention, he said he thought adding this settlement time lag to 

>> the 

>>> backtester would be a good thing and thought it might give AB a 

>>> competitive edge since to his knowledge no other backtesting 

>> software 

>>> handled it either.


>>> At the time, I told him I always just attempted to achieve maximum 

>>> total returns in my backtests knowing full well I could never 

>> achieve 

>>> them because I will always have a portion of my portfolio 

>> unavailable 

>>> for trading. 


>>> To my knowledge this issue has never been addressed and I don't 

>> know 

>>> where it fits in the priority of enhancements (?).


>>> Dan


>>> Note: I dont think the Broker Feed => Medved QT => Amibroker 

>> solution 

>>> to genericizing the plugin issue is a bad idea either.



>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -

>>> Re your point on scalping.


>>> > There are people who are doing scalping in an IB--->QT 

>> environment.

>>> >I am

>>> > guessing they are not suffering any substantial efficiency losses

>>> as they

>>> > are quite successful.


>>> Possibly I am mis-understanding something about the way the funds

>>> from intraday trades are cleared but if I have take 1% on an 

>> intraday

>>> trade and then have to wait t+3 for the funds to be available 

>> haven't

>>> I reduced my returns to 1%/3?


>>> If that isn't the case (I don't have to wait 3 days to put the 

>> closed

>>> intraday trade funds back to work) then I would love to go to IB

>>> (based on the number of others who use it and the body of published

>>> work that will help me make the transition to AT).


>>> brian_z


>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:

>>> >

>>> > Rakesh,

>>> > 

>>> > I am with you on everything there (happy to pay for ad free 

>>> > enviornment etc).

>>> > 

>>> > As per your previous comment:

>>> > 

>>> > > > > A solution that covers Broker Feed---->MedVed QT-------> 

>>> > >>AmiBroker

>>> > > > can cover

>>> > > > > the needs of a large portion of the universe of AB clients.

>>> > 

>>> > Re your point on scalping.

>>> > 

>>> > > There are people who are doing scalping in an IB--->QT 

>>> environment. 

>>> > >I am

>>> > > guessing they are not suffering any substantial efficiency 

>> losses 

>>> > as they

>>> > > are quite successful.

>>> > 

>>> > Possibly I am mis-understanding something about the way the funds 

>>> > from intraday trades are cleared but if I have take 1% on an 

>>> intraday 

>>> > trade and then have to wait t+3 for the funds to be available 

>>> haven't 

>>> > I reduced my returns to 1%/3?

>>> > 

>>> > If that isn't the case (I don't have to wait 3 days to put the 

>>> closed 

>>> > intraday trade funds back to work) then I would love to go to IB 

>>> > (based on the number of others who use it and the body of 

>> published 

>>> > work that will help me make the transition to AT).

>>> > 

>>> > brian_z

>>> > 

>>> >






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