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Hello Ron,

You are quite correct.
I stand corrected.
Sloppy maths on my part.

brian_z


--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ron Rowland" <rowland@xxx> wrote:
>
> What house in San Jose can't be bought for $102,400,000?
> 
> $100k compounding at 100% per year for 10 years = $102 million.
> 
> start	 100,000 
> 1	 200,000 
> 2	 400,000 
> 3	 800,000 
> 4	 1,600,000 
> 5	 3,200,000 
> 6	 6,400,000 
> 7	 12,800,000 
> 8	 25,600,000 
> 9	 51,200,000 
> 10	 102,400,000 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > >A profit of 1% per day, every trading day, grows so fast that 
the 
> > >account balance is larger than all the real estate in the US in 
> just 
> > >a few years.  
> > 
> > Hypothetical numbers can be quoted to create a desired effect 
e.g. 
> if 
> > we put it this way, things look a lot different:
> > 
> > A trader starting with $100K who returns 100%PA on average, and 
> > trades for 10 years, would be able to afford to buy a home in San 
> > Jose Calfornia, but not the best one in the area.
> > 
> > Do you think many traders with that kind of performance would 
> > continue to trade after 10 successful years?
> > 
> > brian_z
> > 
> > 
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > I draw your attention to the following article, especially item 
3:
> > > 
> > > "Who is the most unusual trader you ever interviewed"?
> > > 
> > > http://www.moneybags.com.au/profile.asp?id=1363
> > > 
> > > Two consecutive 300%PA plus public performances from Mark Cook.
> > > 
> > > It is possible that he was just incredibly lucky (are we fooled 
> by 
> > > randomness a la Taleb)?
> > > 
> > > He was also incredibly lucky for a period spanning 6 years 
before 
> > > that (trading bonds and stock indexes!)
> > > 
> > > Note that the period 1992-1993 when he publically achieved 
those 
> > > results was not a particularly outstanding two years for 
equities.
> > > 
> > > brian_z
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Howard,
> > > > 
> > > > >Any time someone suggests a growth of more than about 40% 
per 
> > > year, 
> > > > >take that with a very large grain of salt.
> > > > 
> > > > I expected you to disagree with my statement.
> > > > I'm sure a lot of traders would be aghast at the numbers I 
> quoted 
> > > as 
> > > > the theoretical potential.
> > > > 
> > > > At his website Professor John Price posts audited returns of 
> > approx 
> > > > 20-25% PA over a 5 year period, or more, using simple Techno-
> > > > fundamental methods (as I recall the figures).
> > > > 
> > > > The caveat there is that the sample period is short and 
> selective.
> > > > 
> > > > Trading on margin that would return 30-35% PA with less than 
> half 
> > > an 
> > > > hour a days work and no effort to use any other timing 
> mechanisms.
> > > > 
> > > > If your statement is true we can all give up any further 
> efforts 
> > > and 
> > > > simple trade his method.
> > > > 
> > > > Similarly, the ASX, which is a high dividend paying market 
(due 
> > to 
> > > > franking) has total returns of in excess of 15% PA on average 
> > over 
> > > > longer time periods.
> > > > Using simple leveraged buy&hold strategies that is 20-25% 
> without 
> > > any 
> > > > ongoing effort required what-so-ever.
> > > > 
> > > > In "Stock Market Wizards", Schwager, Jack.D, Harper Business 
> 2001 
> > > the 
> > > > first page of the first chapter in the book quotes Stuart 
> Walton, 
> > > > fund manager, who achieved "115 percent average annual 
> compounded 
> > > > return in trading profits" un 8 consecutive years during the 
> > > nineties.
> > > > 
> > > > As I understand it Schwager's books are well researched and 
> based 
> > > on 
> > > > verifiable case studies?
> > > > 
> > > > I only opened the book at the first chapter and didn't need 
to 
> go 
> > > any 
> > > > further or to his other 2 books containing similar 
testimonies.
> > > > 
> > > > brian_z
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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