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--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Bob Jagow" <bjagow@xxx> wrote:
>
> How come, Brian, that you usually end up in my "too big to read"
spam
> folder?
> My only excuse is that I'm hardly acute enuf to pluck a single
wheat kennel
> from a pile of chaff.
> Even worse, only you [now that Yuki has departed, supposedly to
spend her
> ill-gotten gains], bury the chaff at the end of the quoted msg.
>
> Chidingly,
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of brian_z111
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, BUT... you truncated my original response.
> > I did not only say that it was discussed before.
> > I also wrote:
> > " See for example this:
> > http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/116612
> > "
> >
> > So I also added EXACT LINK to the post that presents the solution
> > (so I did perform a search for person who asked and provided him a
> result that answers the question).
> > So I don't even expect the user to use search as I did this for
> him/her already.
> >
> > Do you expect me to copy-paste old posts instead of putting the
> link ? I hope not.
>
>
> No, of course not.
>
> No, I don't expect you to do anything other than what you perceive
to
> be the right course of action. I am simply haolding a discussion
with
> the purpose of exchanging information. My expectation of others is
> that they are free to accept or reject my opinions and apply (or
not)
> them in any way they like.
>
> Yes, your response was above and beyond - as I said "no one can ask
> you to do more". Also, it is not a critique of you (publically and
> privately I respect you). Since it was not a critique of you I
didn't
> reference your behaviour (which was exemplary anyway).
>
> I truncated your answer because I was only addressing the 'go
> search', and by implication, the 'go read the manual' mantra.
>
> I simply listed some factual observations, without drawing any
> inferences or asking anybody to do anything.
>
> I am observing:
>
> 1) That all of the information I need to learn "how to use AB",
> rather than "how to apply AB", is not in the help manual.
> 2) That the help manual contains 'out of date' material.
> 3) That a lot of helpful material, that is additional to the manual
> is available in various places BUT searching to find that material,
> with the methods at my disposal, are very inefficient (perhaps there
> are some, as yet unknown to me, methods I can use).
> 4) That "you' have asked "us" (the users) to make every effort to
use
> the above resources before contacting support - to free your time
for
> more productive pursuits - I 100% agree with this and anyway I am
> super proud to do it under my own steam.
> 5)The majority of AB users are in full time employment and so are
> time challenged.
> 6) It is human nature to avoid what is excessively painful, for
> little or no gain, and seek out what is pleasurable and/or returns
> hign gain.
> 7) Internet forums are "live" - solutions posted there tend to get
> lost in the 'electronic void'.
> 8)The ways in which we acquire info have changed (there is so much
of
> it) - generally people are not going to read what we write because
> there is too much of it - they only want to do targetted searching
> for an answer to the now problem (and what is wrong with that? -
that
> is exactly tha nature of the net and why we love it!)
> 9) Even if people do read all the material, levels and speed of
> comprehension vary - we can't help that - it is not our fault.
>
> I would like to correct myself though - the out of date material in
> the manual is the worst part of the AB experience, followed by the
> inefficient search tools.
>
> I haven't drawn any inferences from this (so far) but IYO are any of
> the above points 1-9 factually incorrect.
>
> If they are not I propose a possible conclusion:
>
> 1) "We" will never be able to control peoples behaviour - some
people
> will always continue to expect others to do their "dirty" work for
> them so there is no point 'railing' against that.
>
> 2) Not every one is tarred with the same brush and a majority prefer
> to learn from the documented material without bothering anyone else
> (the forum, support) - policies should be directed towards the
> silent, and good, majority.
>
> 3) If all up to date relevant information isn't in the manual people
> will have to try elsewhere (if all the info was in the manual and it
> was easy to find there would be no need to go elsewhere except to
> discuss application, which it is not a duty of AB to teach anyway).
>
> 4) If elsewhere takes too long and doesn't return much then they
only
> have two choices - email support, or ask the question here and hope
> for an answer (of course no one can expect an answer, let alone
> demand one because we are all volunteers).
>
> 5) People who post good solutions to this board can't complain if no
> one ever reads them again - they have been offered better
> alternatives.
>
> SUMMARY??????
>
> It is helpful if people provide a link, or directions where to find
> the info as an answer but saying 'read the manual' and/or 'search'
> doesn't achieve and constructive outcomes.
>
> The best solution would be not to swim against the tide of human
> nature and the times AND address the root cause of the problem.
>
> As I said before - this is a discussion point and not an
expectation.
>
> Regards,
>
> brian_z
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:51 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> >
> >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It was discussed in detail before. Use search.
> > >
> > > Tomasz,
> > >
> > > No one could ask you personally to do more for us than you
> already do
> > > so I am not complaininhg or criticizing. I would, however, like
> to
> > > put forward another perspective on this issue of searching.
> > >
> > > Many times you and others say - "it has been discussed before
> many
> > > times and search the board".
> > >
> > > It is true that often people are more enthusiastic about getting
> > > others to help than they are about helping themselves but please
> > > consider this:
> > >
> > > 1) I am not one of them and IMO finding the information we need
> > > (assuming it is 100% there in the first place) is absolutely the
> > > worst part of the Amibroker experience.
> > >
> > > 2) I wasn't here before. That's not my fault - just life's
> > > coincidence.
> > > I can't possibly read every message from the past - anyway many
> > > things have changed and a lot of the info is out of context or
> > > redundant so it is a long search for an occasional gem.
> > >
> > > 3) I am researching for some answers on Amiquote at the moment,
> to
> > > add some detail on the subject to the UKB. I got thousands of
> hits
> > > under AmiQuote, when searching this forum, but most of them are
> > > irrelevant because it appears that in the past a link with
> Amiquote
> > > in it was at the bottom of all messages. So in the end I just
> > > searched "Tomasz" and "AmiQuote current" for 549 messages (that
> is
> > > not thorough research but it will have to do - I now that the
> info I
> > > want is in a post by Dimitri but that is another day or two out
> of my
> > > life to search all Dimitris Yahoo posts). So far it has taken me
> 2
> > > hours to read the first 50 messages (the search doesn't return
> > > a 'true' thread so I have to manually manage the jump from
search
> to
> > > topic to thread and back for every single one (don't think I
> don't
> > > feel like throwing in the towel either because the end gain will
> be
> > > very small but stubborness has it's uses).
> > >
> > > 4) I wasn't around when Fred first posted his answer the first
> time.
> > > I did notice the recent post.
> > > I didn't answer because I have other duties to meet beside
> helping in
> > > the forum.
> > >
> > > If I wanted to find that post again (and I knew it was there and
> > > that it was by Fred) how hard would that be? How much harder
> would
> > > it be if the person 'on the hunt' didn't have that prior info?
> Near
> > > impossible. What would they search for? "Generalized Price
> Required
> > > to Meet am Indicator Goal".
> > >
> > > 5) I have tried everything to make my searching easierm
including
> > > PGOffline which had unresolved glitches on my computer.
> > >
> > > It doesn't get any better when I search the Ami homepage and
> Googling
> > > Ami.com or Ami.net isn't a barrel of laughs either.
> > >
> > > So, I am not looking for an argument.
> > > I have just put my point up on the board against yours.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > brian_z
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> See for example this:
> > >> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/116612
> > >>
> > >> and the entire thread.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Tomasz Janeczko
> > >> amibroker.com
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:32 PM
> > >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Dear friends,
> > >> >
> > >> > Bit dissapointed, nobody comming forward to help a person
> stuck
> > > with
> > >> > the coding.
> > >> >
> > >> > is it really uncodeable ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Prashant
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi friend,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> even this does not work. Seniors please help to rectify this
> > > code
> > >> > or
> > >> >> a new code please.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tomas, pls help.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Pras
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vichooo_1999"
> <vichooo_1999@>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I think u r looking for a forecaster which gives a value
at
> > > which
> > >> >> +DI
> > >> >> > will cross -DI.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Try the following
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > P0 = C;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Acc = 0.0001;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > LVBI = LastValue(BarIndex());
> > >> >> > Mult = 1;
> > >> >> > for (i = 0; i < 10; i++)
> > >> >> > {
> > >> >> > if (P0[LVBI] >= 1)
> > >> >> > i = 99;
> > >> >> > else
> > >> >> > Mult = Mult * 10;
> > >> >> > }
> > >> >> > // ***********************************************
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > P1 = Ref(P0, 1) * Mult;
> > >> >> > UpDn = 100 * P1[LVBI];
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > for (i = 0; i < 200; i++)
> > >> >> > {
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Calc = PDI();
> > >> >> > Calc = MDI();
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Goal = LastValue(cross(PDI(),MDI()));
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > if (Calc[LVBI] < Goal)
> > >> >> > P1[LVBI] = P1[LVBI] + UpDn;
> > >> >> > else
> > >> >> > P1[LVBI] = P1[LVBI] - UpDn;
> > >> >> > UpDn = UpDn / 2;
> > >> >> > if (UpDn <= Acc)
> > >> >> > {
> > >> >> > j = i;
> > >> >> > i = 99999;
> > >> >> > }
> > >> >> > }
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Accuracy = 100 * (abs(Goal - Calc) / Goal);
> > >> >> > Filter = BarIndex() == LVBI;
> > >> >> > AddColumn(Ref(P1, -1) / Mult, "Todays Price", 1.2);
> > >> >> > AddColumn(P1 / Mult, "Goal Price", 1.2);
> > >> >> > AddColumn(P0-P1 , "Goal Price diff", 1.2);
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > tyr and see if it works. I f it does not then some
> seniorguys
> > >> > have
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> > rectify the code.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > cheers
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@>
> > > wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > A starting point is the folder in the Files section
> titled
> > >> > "Cross
> > >> >> > Predictions"
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Bill
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > > From: "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > >> >> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:38 PM
> > >> >> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > Thanks Prashanth, but valuewhen syntax will not work
> here.
> > >> > what
> > >> >> i
> > >> >> > > > need to code for a adx forecaster which gives out the
> > > price
> > >> > at
> > >> >> > which
> > >> >> > > > it will become a buy.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Pls help me code a forecaster for adx.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Prashant
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashanth"
> > > <prash454.ta@>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Have you checked out "Valuewhen" Syntax.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Cheers
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Prashanth
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > > >> From: Prashant Nayak
> > >> >> > > >> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:36 PM
> > >> >> > > >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Dear Friends,
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> I look forward to your help pls.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Pras
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant
> > >> > Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > >> >> > > > wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > Dear Friends,
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > I would highly appreciate if anybody can help me
> on
> > > the
> > >> >> > below
> > >> >> > > >> issue,
> > >> >> > > >> > as i am otherwise stuck on my coding.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > Prashant.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant
> > >> >> Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > >> >> > > > wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> > > Dear friends,
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> > > I am trying to code adx explorer on crossover,
> but
> > >> > need
> > >> >> > help
> > >> >> > > > on
> > >> >> > > >> the
> > >> >> > > >> > > following:
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> > > how to determine the price at which +di will
> cross -
> > > di
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> > > Appreciate help on the same from experts.
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> > > Prashant
> > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between
> > > users
> > >> >> only.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
> > > directly
> > >> > to
> > >> >> > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always
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> > >> >> > > >
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> > >> >> > > >
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