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How come, Brian, that you usually end up in my "too big to read" spam
folder?
My only excuse is that I'm hardly acute enuf to pluck a single wheat kennel
from a pile of chaff.
Even worse, only you [now that Yuki has departed, supposedly to spend her
ill-gotten gains], bury the chaff at the end of the quoted msg.
Chidingly,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of brian_z111
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:32 PM
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
wrote:
>
> Yes, BUT... you truncated my original response.
> I did not only say that it was discussed before.
> I also wrote:
> " See for example this:
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/116612
> "
>
> So I also added EXACT LINK to the post that presents the solution
> (so I did perform a search for person who asked and provided him a
result that answers the question).
> So I don't even expect the user to use search as I did this for
him/her already.
>
> Do you expect me to copy-paste old posts instead of putting the
link ? I hope not.
No, of course not.
No, I don't expect you to do anything other than what you perceive to
be the right course of action. I am simply haolding a discussion with
the purpose of exchanging information. My expectation of others is
that they are free to accept or reject my opinions and apply (or not)
them in any way they like.
Yes, your response was above and beyond - as I said "no one can ask
you to do more". Also, it is not a critique of you (publically and
privately I respect you). Since it was not a critique of you I didn't
reference your behaviour (which was exemplary anyway).
I truncated your answer because I was only addressing the 'go
search', and by implication, the 'go read the manual' mantra.
I simply listed some factual observations, without drawing any
inferences or asking anybody to do anything.
I am observing:
1) That all of the information I need to learn "how to use AB",
rather than "how to apply AB", is not in the help manual.
2) That the help manual contains 'out of date' material.
3) That a lot of helpful material, that is additional to the manual
is available in various places BUT searching to find that material,
with the methods at my disposal, are very inefficient (perhaps there
are some, as yet unknown to me, methods I can use).
4) That "you' have asked "us" (the users) to make every effort to use
the above resources before contacting support - to free your time for
more productive pursuits - I 100% agree with this and anyway I am
super proud to do it under my own steam.
5)The majority of AB users are in full time employment and so are
time challenged.
6) It is human nature to avoid what is excessively painful, for
little or no gain, and seek out what is pleasurable and/or returns
hign gain.
7) Internet forums are "live" - solutions posted there tend to get
lost in the 'electronic void'.
8)The ways in which we acquire info have changed (there is so much of
it) - generally people are not going to read what we write because
there is too much of it - they only want to do targetted searching
for an answer to the now problem (and what is wrong with that? - that
is exactly tha nature of the net and why we love it!)
9) Even if people do read all the material, levels and speed of
comprehension vary - we can't help that - it is not our fault.
I would like to correct myself though - the out of date material in
the manual is the worst part of the AB experience, followed by the
inefficient search tools.
I haven't drawn any inferences from this (so far) but IYO are any of
the above points 1-9 factually incorrect.
If they are not I propose a possible conclusion:
1) "We" will never be able to control peoples behaviour - some people
will always continue to expect others to do their "dirty" work for
them so there is no point 'railing' against that.
2) Not every one is tarred with the same brush and a majority prefer
to learn from the documented material without bothering anyone else
(the forum, support) - policies should be directed towards the
silent, and good, majority.
3) If all up to date relevant information isn't in the manual people
will have to try elsewhere (if all the info was in the manual and it
was easy to find there would be no need to go elsewhere except to
discuss application, which it is not a duty of AB to teach anyway).
4) If elsewhere takes too long and doesn't return much then they only
have two choices - email support, or ask the question here and hope
for an answer (of course no one can expect an answer, let alone
demand one because we are all volunteers).
5) People who post good solutions to this board can't complain if no
one ever reads them again - they have been offered better
alternatives.
SUMMARY??????
It is helpful if people provide a link, or directions where to find
the info as an answer but saying 'read the manual' and/or 'search'
doesn't achieve and constructive outcomes.
The best solution would be not to swim against the tide of human
nature and the times AND address the root cause of the problem.
As I said before - this is a discussion point and not an expectation.
Regards,
brian_z
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:51 AM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
>
>
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It was discussed in detail before. Use search.
> >
> > Tomasz,
> >
> > No one could ask you personally to do more for us than you
already do
> > so I am not complaininhg or criticizing. I would, however, like
to
> > put forward another perspective on this issue of searching.
> >
> > Many times you and others say - "it has been discussed before
many
> > times and search the board".
> >
> > It is true that often people are more enthusiastic about getting
> > others to help than they are about helping themselves but please
> > consider this:
> >
> > 1) I am not one of them and IMO finding the information we need
> > (assuming it is 100% there in the first place) is absolutely the
> > worst part of the Amibroker experience.
> >
> > 2) I wasn't here before. That's not my fault - just life's
> > coincidence.
> > I can't possibly read every message from the past - anyway many
> > things have changed and a lot of the info is out of context or
> > redundant so it is a long search for an occasional gem.
> >
> > 3) I am researching for some answers on Amiquote at the moment,
to
> > add some detail on the subject to the UKB. I got thousands of
hits
> > under AmiQuote, when searching this forum, but most of them are
> > irrelevant because it appears that in the past a link with
Amiquote
> > in it was at the bottom of all messages. So in the end I just
> > searched "Tomasz" and "AmiQuote current" for 549 messages (that
is
> > not thorough research but it will have to do - I now that the
info I
> > want is in a post by Dimitri but that is another day or two out
of my
> > life to search all Dimitris Yahoo posts). So far it has taken me
2
> > hours to read the first 50 messages (the search doesn't return
> > a 'true' thread so I have to manually manage the jump from search
to
> > topic to thread and back for every single one (don't think I
don't
> > feel like throwing in the towel either because the end gain will
be
> > very small but stubborness has it's uses).
> >
> > 4) I wasn't around when Fred first posted his answer the first
time.
> > I did notice the recent post.
> > I didn't answer because I have other duties to meet beside
helping in
> > the forum.
> >
> > If I wanted to find that post again (and I knew it was there and
> > that it was by Fred) how hard would that be? How much harder
would
> > it be if the person 'on the hunt' didn't have that prior info?
Near
> > impossible. What would they search for? "Generalized Price
Required
> > to Meet am Indicator Goal".
> >
> > 5) I have tried everything to make my searching easierm including
> > PGOffline which had unresolved glitches on my computer.
> >
> > It doesn't get any better when I search the Ami homepage and
Googling
> > Ami.com or Ami.net isn't a barrel of laughs either.
> >
> > So, I am not looking for an argument.
> > I have just put my point up on the board against yours.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> See for example this:
> >> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/116612
> >>
> >> and the entire thread.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tomasz Janeczko
> >> amibroker.com
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:32 PM
> >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear friends,
> >> >
> >> > Bit dissapointed, nobody comming forward to help a person
stuck
> > with
> >> > the coding.
> >> >
> >> > is it really uncodeable ?
> >> >
> >> > Prashant
> >> >
> >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi friend,
> >> >>
> >> >> even this does not work. Seniors please help to rectify this
> > code
> >> > or
> >> >> a new code please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tomas, pls help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pras
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vichooo_1999"
<vichooo_1999@>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think u r looking for a forecaster which gives a value at
> > which
> >> >> +DI
> >> >> > will cross -DI.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Try the following
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > P0 = C;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Acc = 0.0001;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LVBI = LastValue(BarIndex());
> >> >> > Mult = 1;
> >> >> > for (i = 0; i < 10; i++)
> >> >> > {
> >> >> > if (P0[LVBI] >= 1)
> >> >> > i = 99;
> >> >> > else
> >> >> > Mult = Mult * 10;
> >> >> > }
> >> >> > // ***********************************************
> >> >> >
> >> >> > P1 = Ref(P0, 1) * Mult;
> >> >> > UpDn = 100 * P1[LVBI];
> >> >> >
> >> >> > for (i = 0; i < 200; i++)
> >> >> > {
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Calc = PDI();
> >> >> > Calc = MDI();
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Goal = LastValue(cross(PDI(),MDI()));
> >> >> >
> >> >> > if (Calc[LVBI] < Goal)
> >> >> > P1[LVBI] = P1[LVBI] + UpDn;
> >> >> > else
> >> >> > P1[LVBI] = P1[LVBI] - UpDn;
> >> >> > UpDn = UpDn / 2;
> >> >> > if (UpDn <= Acc)
> >> >> > {
> >> >> > j = i;
> >> >> > i = 99999;
> >> >> > }
> >> >> > }
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Accuracy = 100 * (abs(Goal - Calc) / Goal);
> >> >> > Filter = BarIndex() == LVBI;
> >> >> > AddColumn(Ref(P1, -1) / Mult, "Todays Price", 1.2);
> >> >> > AddColumn(P1 / Mult, "Goal Price", 1.2);
> >> >> > AddColumn(P0-P1 , "Goal Price diff", 1.2);
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > tyr and see if it works. I f it does not then some
seniorguys
> >> > have
> >> >> to
> >> >> > rectify the code.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > cheers
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@>
> > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > A starting point is the folder in the Files section
titled
> >> > "Cross
> >> >> > Predictions"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Bill
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > From: "Prashant Nayak" <pnayak@>
> >> >> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:38 PM
> >> >> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks Prashanth, but valuewhen syntax will not work
here.
> >> > what
> >> >> i
> >> >> > > > need to code for a adx forecaster which gives out the
> > price
> >> > at
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > > > it will become a buy.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Pls help me code a forecaster for adx.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Prashant
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashanth"
> > <prash454.ta@>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Have you checked out "Valuewhen" Syntax.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Cheers
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Prashanth
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >> From: Prashant Nayak
> >> >> > > >> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:36 PM
> >> >> > > >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: help needed on adx coding.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Dear Friends,
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> I look forward to your help pls.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Pras
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant
> >> > Nayak" <pnayak@>
> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > Dear Friends,
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > I would highly appreciate if anybody can help me
on
> > the
> >> >> > below
> >> >> > > >> issue,
> >> >> > > >> > as i am otherwise stuck on my coding.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > Prashant.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Prashant
> >> >> Nayak" <pnayak@>
> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Dear friends,
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > I am trying to code adx explorer on crossover,
but
> >> > need
> >> >> > help
> >> >> > > > on
> >> >> > > >> the
> >> >> > > >> > > following:
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > how to determine the price at which +di will
cross -
> > di
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Appreciate help on the same from experts.
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Prashant
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between
> > users
> >> >> only.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
> > directly
> >> > to
> >> >> > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always
check
> >> >> DEVLOG:
> >> >> > > > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > For other support material please check also:
> >> >> > > > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --
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> >> >> Date:
> >> >> > 11/19/2007 7:05 PM
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> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
only.
> >> >
> >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly
to
> >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >> >
> >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> >> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >> >
> >> > For other support material please check also:
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> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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