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I think that is a touch generous.
The author doesn't come across as a teacher to my mind. Don't get me
wrong. AB is a great product but it takes some doing to really work
through the material. For one thing, it's poorly structured.
Like any difficult topic, one can only learn through application but
the manual would definitely benefit from being moderated with the
assistance of a professional writer. It's clear that AB is used by
many (like myself) who are not coders or IT proficient and with that
in mind, it should cater for us (after all, we need more assistance
than the coders). Perhaps a series of case studies, example systems
attached as appendices with commentary/notes would be beneficial.
At this point, I should add my apologies for those questions I have
raised which I know are incredibly basic and thank those of you on
here day in day out who help guide us through.
Bernard
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z321" <brian_z321@xxx> wrote:
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
>
> > However, for beginners, first reading
> > the documentation, they are overwhelmed with information and do
not
> > retain enough when they are trying to write AFL. This can be
seen
> > over and over on this site, as newbies are chastised for not
reading
> > all the information --when they actually did, but could not
retain
> > enough or remember where to find it again.
> >
> > I retain information when I need to use it, and I apply it to a
real
> > problem.
>
> Hello Dennis,
>
> As I read through your post I ticked every one of your points.
>
> Discussion in this area is a recurring theme in the forum, which to
me
> validates the issue.
>
> The standard of the help manual in Ami is around about the norm for
> software; give or take a bit.
> Tomasz is a very good logician and writer.
> He also has a lot of empathy for others, which is a pre-requisite
for
> good teaching.
>
> So, what is the problem?
>
> Rightly or wrongly Tomasz has chosen a particular business model;
> community effort and self-help plays a significant role.
>
> Personally, I like and support the model.
> I believe it is the correct approach for the age and that as usual
> Tomasz is a few steps ahead of the majority.
>
> The AmiBroker platform is in fact a wonderful teaching medium, it
us
> just that the help component is partly covert and people don't
notice
> it, or appreciate it, as much as formal presentations.
> Formal help is relatively static, has definite boundaries and ends
with
> the last full stop.
> Community based help is the opposite.
> I believe Ami has a good mix of both.
>
> This is no accident, as in IMO, Tomasz is totally aware of what he
is
> doing at all levels and has factored in user education.
> He has said in this forum that Ami is not perfect, that there is
room
> for improvement and that the help manual already contains so many
pages
> it has reached it's natural limit.
> He has also said it would take 10 years for him to explain himself
in
> writing, which is also true, and the reason for my impertinence in
> presuming to speak on his behalf.
>
> In the case of documentation, it is not that the documentation is
sub-
> standard but rather that AmiBroker is so feature rich and open
> structured that no amount of documentation can do it justice.
>
> On top of that, to improve it, Tomasz would have to stop
development
> and start writing more help material and/or employ others to do
that
> for him, with a significant price increase.
> Everyone who wants Tomasz to do that please put your hand up.
>
> I agree with your point that the help manual could benefit from a
> little more tabulation here and there but that is entirely up to
Tomasz.
> Keep in mind that I am a tabulation freak and maybe Tomasz and
others
> don't see it the same way.
>
> What can we do about it?
>
> First of all, we can not expect Tomasz to do anymore.
> He is already doing everything he can.
> Tomasz is listening and has in fact made many slight adjustments to
the
> program in recent times e.g. KnowledgeBase and DevLog.
>
> There is actually nothing wrong with the Ami platform, nothing
major
> anyway.
> It is way ahead of the rest.
> At the same time let's follow Tomasz'z lead and strive for further
> development and improvement.
>
>
> My suggestions?
>
> The forum is a wonderful supplement to Ami help.
> Look at the quality of discussion in the last few days.
> IMO the forum is functioning quite well.
>
> There are things, however, that a forum can't do.
> They are not proactive places so *we* tend to end up providing the
same
> answer over and over in some cases.
>
> I have been nagging away privately and publically about this and
> related issues for a while; reference project based training,
visual
> teaching aids, inadequate group file area, need for a proactive
> approach etc.
>
> I stress that this is nothing new and plenty of others are and have
> been involved in similar crusades.
>
>
> To cut to the chase.
>
> I have recently filed a suggestion with Tomasz about a home away
from
> home for proactive Ami users.
>
> Their is a draft mockup at
>
> http://www.amibroker.org/3rdparty/UserKnowledgeBase/
>
> I provided this as support for my suggestion.
> There are a couple of demo files there in various stages of
production.
> In the last month or two I have posted one or two example
*training*
> files in response to questions raised in the forum.
>
> At the same time Herman was discussing a possible collaborative
effort
> in the AmiBroker-at forum.
>
> Tomasz has responded publically and privately to suggestions and
> discussion about providing a more formal vehicle for users to share
> knowledge .
>
> I am confident that there will be outcomes from these discussions.
> As always they won't be perfect and they do rely on compromise and
co-
> operation between individuals and AmiBroker.
> If something eventuates, IMO, it will be a step forward for the
group
> and fill a large hole that exists in the platform at the moment.
>
> The part I played was minor, however, since I am in a position to
> update the forum to some extent I have done so.
>
> Brian.
>
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