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[amibroker] Re: Zweig 4% Rule/System



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OK.

Thanks for clarifying that.

I will leave you and others to focus on the code.

BrianB2.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dmcleod1981" <dmcleod1981@xxx> 
wrote:
>
> Brian,
> 
> Before you dismiss the gummy site so off-handedly you might want to
> find out more about the author and actually READ the material. 
> 
> After reading Paul's synopsis I went back to excel and was able to
> correctly get the results I was looking for that in fact mirror
> Zweig's previous signals which was one of my original references as
> well as some other sources. I mis-interpreted what the gummy site 
was
> saying in its content. However, I now can match it as well. Now all 
I
> need to do is figure out how to reference the previous signal in
> Amibroker which my level of knowledge is still a work in progress. 
> 
> You mention "why worry about conforming to other peoples 
> spreadsheets (there is an awful lot of trading rubbish out there on 
> the web)?" Isn't that the whole point of being able to test a system
> is to find out if it's rubbish? However, to accurately be able to
> replicate the system you need to have the correct rules (something I
> failed to do initially.)
> 
> You also, said "Code all of your variations and test them in Ami."
> That's what I am trying to do... while I appreciate your comments 
and
> anyones' effort to help, the focus I need is in using the code
> correctly in Amibroker. Once I understand the basics I will then be
> able to test the "variations...and all the possible combinations of
> the strategy that you think might work."
> 
> As for being to hard on me... I am pretty resilient hopefully I was
> not too hard on you.
> 
> Thanks
> DM
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian.z123" <brian.z123@> wrote:
> >
> > DM,
> > 
> > Not having a go at you but in the belief I am helping.
> > 
> > I also had a quick look at the Gummy site and I have to ask:
> > 
> > "Is this a joke?".
> > 
> > I wouldn't research my ideas from a site like that.
> > 
> > To me trading is a game, but it is one that should be approached 
in a 
> > business-like manner; as if we are going to war.
> > 
> > I only reference academics who have taken a deep interest in 
trading 
> > or seasoned traders who have published.
> > Above all else I trust in myself and the results of the hard work 
I 
> > put into research.
> > 
> > A couple of suggestions that might help you:
> > 
> > 1. staying on the straight and narrow; buy the Zweig book and get 
it 
> > straight from the horses mouth. $12.99 USD; a business 
development 
> > expense. 
> > 
> > Then clearly define exactly which strategy from the book you want 
to 
> > code before you start.
> > 
> > 2. straying from the straight and narrow; many good ideas pop-up 
in 
> > the middle of research. Write them down, think them through, then 
go 
> > ahead with coding and testing them.
> > Wild ideas seldom turn into profits but you do learn a hell of a 
lot 
> > chasing them.
> > 
> > Specifically:
> > 
> > Paul's code correctly defines the strategy as originally 
described by 
> > you and also in point 1 at the gummy site.
> > 
> > I contend it is a strategy that is true to the tenents of 
trading, 
> > whether or not it is Mr Zweig's exact formula.
> > Why not go ahead and test it, including with different time 
periods?
> > If it fails *the test* at least you can cross it off the list.
> > That will be one less out of the thousands or tens of thousands 
of 
> > trading strategies to worry about.
> > 
> > Having done that, why worry about conforming to other peoples 
> > spreadsheets (there is an awful lot of trading rubbish out there 
on 
> > the web)?
> > 
> > Why not get out the pencil and paper and write down all the 
possible 
> > combinations of the strategy that you think might work.
> > Then download a small amount of data into Ami for use as a 
training 
> > database (small databases are easier to use when cross 
referencing 
> > spreadsheets etc).
> > Code all of your variations and test them in Ami.
> > Export the data into Xcel and *manually* execute the strategies.
> > See if your code *made the trade* as you expected.
> > If not, go back and repair the code until it does (the forum will 
> > almost certainly help you provided your strategy is well defined 
and 
> > understandable to others).
> > 
> > If you think I have been too hard on you, say so and I will 
apologise.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > BrianB2.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dmcleod1981" <dmcleod1981@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul,
> > > 
> > > I think you are correct. I posted the comments as they came 
from the
> > > site but I think you are right in that its from the last 
signal. I
> > > guess I need to incorporate LastValue or valuewhen? I will try 
these
> > > out and see if I can work through this. Again, thanks for your 
time 
> > in
> > > looking at this.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > DM 
> > > 
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Ho" <paultsho@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I took a quick look at the spreadsheet, it has something that 
is 
> > very
> > > > different than what you have described
> > > > I think it goes something like sell if the close is certain % 
> > below the
> > > > highest high since the last buy, and buy if it is certain % 
above
> > > the lowest
> > > > low
> > > > since the last sell.
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   _____  
> > > > 
> > > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf
> > > > Of dmcleod1981
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2007 11:12 AM
> > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Zweig 4% Rule/System
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Paul,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the help, unfortunately this doesn't match up with 
any 
> > of
> > > > the signals when compared to excel and also doesn't match up 
with
> > > > other sources who post this system. Now I just have to figure 
out 
> > why.
> > > > I appreciate your help and this has given me other ways to 
test.
> > > > Using FLIP seemed to get me closer but still didn't quite fit 
the
> > > > bill even when using the same data source. Again, thanks for 
> > taking a
> > > > look at it.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > DM 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> > ps.com,
> > > > "Paul Ho" <paultsho@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is what you need
> > > > > buy = cross(c, ref(llv(c, 52), -1)* 1.04);
> > > > > sell = cross(ref(hhv(c, 52), -1)*0.96, c);
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _____ 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> > ps.com
> > > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> > ps.com]
> > > > On Behalf
> > > > > Of dmcleod1981
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 4:43 AM
> > > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> > ps.com
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Zweig 4% Rule/System
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Paul,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am trying to set the rules as defined by this site:
> > > > > http://www.gummy- <http://www.gummy-
> > > > <http://www.gummy-stuff.org/zweig.htm> stuff.org/zweig.htm>
> > > > stuff.org/zweig.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > "* You compare this Friday's closing price with recent 
weekly 
> > closes.
> > > > > * If there was a recent low, and this Friday's close is 4% 
> > higher
> > > > > than that low, then you assume you're at a market low and 
you 
> > Buy.
> > > > > * If there was a recent high, and this Friday's close is 4% 
> > lower
> > > > > than that high, then you assume you're at a market high and 
you 
> > Sell."
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Flip recommendation posted earlier seemed to solve the 
> > weekly
> > > > > buying problem and I am now trying to see if the trades 
match 
> > up with
> > > > > the right close and HHV/LLV values in excel. I might not 
have 
> > the
> > > > > threshold calculated correctly so I appreciate the help.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > DM
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com,
> > > > > "Paul Ho" <paultsho@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This statement doesnt look right
> > > > > > buy if the Close drops 4% below the HHV of the last 52 
weeks 
> > and buy
> > > > > if the
> > > > > > Close is greater than the LLV of the last 52 weeks based 
on 
> > Fridays
> > > > > close. 
> > > > > > 1. Is the first buy a sell?
> > > > > > 2. Does the second buy have a 4% limit somewhere, or do 
you 
> > just
> > > > > want to buy
> > > > > > anytime when its greater than its 52weeks low which is 
just 
> > about
> > > > > all the
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > _____ 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com
> > > > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > ps.com]
> > > > > On Behalf
> > > > > > Of Dave McLeod
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 4:10 AM
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> 
> > ps.com
> > > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Zweig 4% Rule/System
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am trying to code the Zweig 4% reversal system but I am 
not
> > > > > catching on as
> > > > > > to how to limit the buys and sells from each week.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Your supposed to buy if the Close drops 4% below the HHV 
of 
> > the
> > > > last 52
> > > > > > weeks and buy if the Close is greater than the LLV of the 
> > last 52
> > > > weeks
> > > > > > based on Fridays close. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here is what I have so far.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > DOW=DayOfWeek()==5;
> > > > > > Hi=HHV(Close,52);
> > > > > > Lo=LLV(Close,52);
> > > > > > VBuy = Close*1.04>=Ref(Lo,-1) AND DOW;
> > > > > > VSell = Close*.96<=Ref(Hi,-1) AND DOW;
> > > > > > Buy = ExRem(VBuy,VSell);
> > > > > > Sell = ExRem(VSell,VBuy);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This buys and then sells each week. I am obviously not 
using 
> > exrem
> > > > > correctly
> > > > > > and it still buys weekly wether I have DOW in or out.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If someone could point out my mistakes that would be 
great.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > DM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > _____ 
> > > > > > 
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