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Re: [amibroker] Re: I think the real defect of Amibroker is charting



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Most of those feature suggestions/requests are on record. Let us see if they
are found to be of merit in the light of the present discussion.

Rakesh

On 2/19/07, danielwardadams <danielwardadams@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> If you want additional studies, Tomasz has already indicated if you
> submit them as feature requests, they will be considered for
> implementation as part of the AB package. Here is the link with his
> offer: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/106685.
>
> Since making the offer, I think there have only been three requests:
> (1) one for ray extensions, (2) one for Equivolume charts, and (3) one
> for Chaiken Money Flow. FWIW, the last two requests were made by me.
> (There may have been more but they haven't been approved for
> consideration so aren't visible yet).
>
> So, if additional "out of the box" studies is what is stopping people
> from using AB as a "one-stop" charting solution, you have an option.
> But IMO the only reason people should use this an excuse is if
> (reasonable) requests for studies are submitted and don't get
> implemented. I say "reasonable" because, for example, I don't know if
> implementing Equivolume charts is possible within the current AB
> design constraints.
>
> If "crispiness" or 16 zillion colors or some of the other
> "subjective, hard to explain" reasons is what is stopping you, maybe
> you'll have to continue with multiple charting solutions. However if
> you think any of these subjective-type requests could actually help
> you trade better, I'd like to understand how. Remember that that we
> are only two or three decades from the time all this stuff was done
> with paper and pencil and rulers and good traders made money then. At
> the risk of being too blunt, I think using a charting package as an
> excuse for not making money trading is a copout.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian.z123" <brian.z123@xxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fair enough.
> >
> > A few minutes at the website doesn't equal a trial.
> >
> > I will take the Ensign trial when I get a chance and have a look at
> > the additional studies.
> >
> > BrianB2.
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian:
> > >
> > > If you are really interested in using charting techniques, have you
> > considered looking at some of the programs, including those mentioned
> > in previous messages, on a trial basis?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian.z123" <brian.z123@>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:31 AM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: I think the real defect of Amibroker is
> > charting
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Trading Humble,
> > > >
> > > > I am not having a go at you or pushing any agenda; I am trying to
> > > > understand what the chartists want for my own reasons
> > > > (if they are using charts in a way that I am not and it is
> > > > contributing to their trading success I want to know about it).
> > > >
> > > > The problem is no-one can specify what it is they are after
> > > > (including screenshots).
> > > >
> > > > Rakesh lists some studies; fair enough, you've definitely drawn
> > some
> > > > empathy from me.
> > > > Without the facts, however, I can't decide either way, but I
> > assume
> > > > Tomasz must have his reasons why he didn't implement the
> > suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > I read Joe's post of 03 #49871 but without a screenshot I can't
> > > > readily understand what he wants.
> > > >
> > > >
> > ********************************************************************
> > > >
> > > > Re your points.
> > > >
> > > > I am an art lover.
> > > > I particularly like visionary art.
> > > > If you want graphics have a look at
> > > >
> > > > http://iasos.com/artists/
> > > >
> > > > but I am not looking for an art experience when I open AB.
> > > >
> > > > I think it looks quite nice and it is visually pleasant while
> > working
> > > > in it.
> > > > We have a choice of skins.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have had a quick look at the Ensign site and I don't agree that
> > the
> > > > chart quality is superior although the web page is more artistic.
> > > >
> > > > Crispy can only be an issue of resolution or contrast.
> > > > Isn't the resolution the same for most of us (depending on
> > computer
> > > > graphics card)?
> > > > How can another software package have superior resolution to Ami?
> > > > Would it show on my computer if it did?
> > > >
> > > > Contrast comes down to the colours used; two adjacent lines look
> > > > different depending on the colours used or perspective.
> > > >
> > > > How do we add perspective to 2D charts.
> > > > Anyway, once again 3D is arty but seldom functional in software.
> > > > Of course Ami does have 3D where it counts; in the optimised
> > output.
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't Ami have a full colour palette the equal of other
> > software
> > > > and don't we have the option to change colour settings?
> > > >
> > > > Ensign uses a lot of colour which looks *arty*, but does it have
> > a
> > > > function other than entertainment?
> > > >
> > > > I love pink, but I am not sure about it in my candlesticks.
> > > >
> > > > I don't agree that the Ensign charts look any better than Ami's.
> > > >
> > > > It can't be in the fonts, as they are standard.
> > > > Where is the difference?
> > > >
> > > > Ensign appears to have some extra studies and drawing tools; are
> > they
> > > > what people want?
> > > >
> > > > If so why not put forward a well researched and referenced
> > request
> > > > with screenshots.
> > > > Advertise it here and submit it to suggestions and I am sure you
> > will
> > > > get a hearing.
> > > > Some of the fence sitters, like me, may even join in the chorus
> > > > asking Tomasz to implement them.
> > > >
> > > > As for ease of use; how exactly is the way we use Ami's drawing
> > tools
> > > > any different from other programs (point & click)?
> > > >
> > > > As I said, I am looking to buy your arguments but no one has made
> > a
> > > > tempting offer so far.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > BrianB2.
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tradinghumble" <sharp2be@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Just adding to the opinions here, I think AB is the king of
> > > >> backtesting and programming but I have to agree that it lacks
> > when
> > > >> comes to charting... and I'm not talking about indicators, I'm
> > > >> talking about "charting, quality, graphics, etc" ... I've
> > brought
> > > >> this issue up many times but noone seems to understand it... I
> > > > guess
> > > >> you have to use TradesStation or even Ensign and QT to
> > understand
> > > >> what I mean by crispy ... on the other hand, I've hard people
> > > >> comparing AB to Metastock.. now, that's silly, AB is miles away
> > > > from
> > > >> Metastock , 15 times better... so, in summary, if your think is
> > EOD
> > > >> charts and your main focus is automation, there's no better
> > place
> > > >> than AB...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Rik Rasmussen" <hrasmussen@>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You do not mention any way you find it to be inferior.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What is it about the charts that you find lacking?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Rik Rasmussen
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of itmwh
> > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:50 AM
> > > >> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Subject: [amibroker] I think the real defect of Amibroker is
> > > >> charting
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I think amibroker as a system
> > developing/backtesting/automatic
> > > >> > > excecution software is superb, actually, in my opinion, best
> > in
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > market, especially considering the price. But as a new user
> > of
> > > >> > > Amibroker, I also found the charting proportion of Amibroker
> > > >> > > is not as
> > > >> > > competive as other functions.  I have some experience with
> > > >> > > ensign, and
> > > >> > > feel that is the best charting software. I am not a
> > > > discretionary
> > > >> > > trader, and I do not think ensign is worthy of the monthly
> > > >> > > subscription
> > > >> > > price, so I will stay with Amibroker , but I hope amibroker
> > > >> > > can improve
> > > >> > > its charting function. A improved charting capability ,will
> > > >> appeal to
> > > >> > > the vast majority of the retail traders and also greatly
> > > > improve
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > sales of this software, even at a higher price. Just my
> > > > personal
> > > >> > > thoughts, sorry if not correct.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > For other support material please check also:
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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