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RE: [amibroker] Leveraged/Inverse Funds



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Yes

But there is a way that you can normalize all the funds to determine the true beta of the fund

So I understand you did not do that

 

Nothing wrong with doing it as what the fund is trying to achieve just if you were going to hedge using the fund you would have to do this

 

Yes all transactions are free

Have an account with both

There are charges in the funds  most have them if not all But Rydex and Profunds were set up for short term trading of mutual funds,  so there is no transaction fees.  So the fee that the fund charges is built into the price

SO if the RUT does 2.01% today and UAPIX might show 4.01% tonight, so there is a slight difference in the 2x beta guess who gets that little extra each day.

 

Also the index funds you need to see what they are holding since they are not holding the exact stocks that the index they are following holds, so on some days there can be a larger difference

 

 

Mark

 


From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dugas
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:10 PM
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Leveraged/Inverse Funds

 

Hi Mark - It is pegged to the index for each fund, so for example if a particular fund has

an Index of Russell 2000 and Beta of 2, then the goal of the fund is to achieve twice the return of the RUT (but you will also have twice the losses on bad days ). As D pointed out, they seek to achieve this on a daily basis, and with compounded leverage the results aren't necessarily what you would expect over time. From reading a few different sources, it seems the consensus is that over time, returns are better than the goal in trending markets and less than the goal rangebound markets - the more days in the same direction, the higher/lower the returns. But I should stress again that I have only read about these - I am only learning about them now and have never actually traded them (yet).

 

Re your previous post, do you mean that if you deposit your money directly with one of these fund companies, then there are no commissions AND no fees, *everything* is free? How does the company make their money?

 

Steve

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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:49 PM

Subject: RE: [amibroker] Leveraged/Inverse Funds

 

Also

On you chart you have the Beta for these

What are you comparing it to?  S&P ? or something else

 

Mark

 

 

 


From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dugas
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Yahoo - AmiBroker
Subject: [amibroker] Leveraged/Inverse Funds

 

Hi All,

 

If anyone is interested in leveraged/inverse funds, here is a spreadsheet I put together yesterday with some useful info for comparing Rydex/Profunds/Direxion funds. Performance is not included because I am looking at them with an eye toward actively trading them. Info comes from most recent fact sheets/prospectus/annual reports. Sort columns in any order to compare them, but select all columns first so they sort in sync ( unless you know an easier way and then please let *me* know...   8 - )

 

Steve

 




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