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Thanks to all for the good comments on TC2005 and Amibroker. I wanted
to know if what I would lose (besides data) if I dropped TC and bought
Amibroker. It sounds like Amibroker can do everything TC can and much
more.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "duke.jones" <Duke.Jones@xxxx> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> For what I would consider the best option for Sector and Industry
analysis, you might want to check out www.highgrowthstock.com. This
software has their own sector and industry classification which I
think is better than IBD or you can create your own structure on an
equal, price or cap weighted basis. Best of all you can import the
data into AB and test it as can create historical data streams of your
custom groups. Both AB & HGS use QP data so it is almost seemless.
>
> Regards,
>
> Duke Jones, CMT
>
> -------Original Message-------
> > From: "Dan Clark" <dan_public@xxxx>
> > Subject: RE: [amibroker] TC2005 & Amibroker
> > Sent: 21 Jun 2005 14:39:55
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Actually, to be quite specific…
> >
> > A major advantage of TC2005 is its Sectorsand Industries. Worden
maintains both the Sector/Industry groupings andsymbols for each
Sector and Industry. I believe this to be one of theirstrongest benefits.
> >
> > After I imported the TC Industries andSectors, I set up each
Industry with the TC symbol for that industry (Symbols à Categories à
Industries). Since each Stock symbol is mapped to an industry, the
Industry symbol canbe used for relative strength analysis in Charts
and Scans. The AFL forRelative Strength to Industry is:
> >
> > RelStrengthSymbolToIndustry = RelStrength(GetBaseIndex());
> >
> > Regarding Sectors, I chart all of the TCSectors in 6 panes on two
charts as a set of lines. It makes it easier toanalyze them.
> >
> > Like Patrick, I'd like to see Wordenpublish only the data, expose
more of their attributes in their API (currentlyonly Money Stream and
BOP), and provide full access to intraday data in theirAPI.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Worden tends to be a bit "idiosyncratic".
Instead of focusing on their strengths, they spent massive amounts of
time andenergy with a stand-alone tool call Worden Studio which
doesn't integratewith TC and is very poor compared to competitive
products (like StockCharts). When I took them to task on the issue,
they condescendingly pointed out that Ijust didn't know how to use the
tool. (Not once, but severaltimes.) So, I wrote them off as
non-communicative and not a seriousvendor of charting tools.
> >
> > In some respects, a similar company isIBD. AFAIK, IBD is the
only other company that has strong Sectorand Industry groupings with
some charting and scanning at the Industry and Stocklevel. And,
their analysis is pretty good. That'sthe good news…
> >
> > The bad news is that IBD is a serious hassleto deal with. They
are very expensive, their charting tools and scanning arevery poor and
they do not expose their data through an API. Theonly way to export
some of the data is using a manual export process. They're still
working in the dark ages of stock analysis - lots ofmarketing with
modest content, packaged in a proprietary interface.
> >
> > Hopefully, Worden and IBD will get theiract together and start
meeting customers' needs instead of using a "marketingby navel gazing"
strategy. Like many companies, theyhave some good product features
to offer, but leave lots money on the tablebecause of their inability
to package and market them effectively.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dan.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > FROM: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] ON BEHALF OF Joe Landry
> > SENT: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:41AM
> > TO: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > SUBJECT: Re: [amibroker] TC2005& Amibroker
> >
> > Patrick and Dan - I stand corrected andappreciate the very
thorough analysis and discourse on your
> >
> > parrt - an excellent use of theforum.
> >
> > Correctly I should have said -TC2000for simple and quick scans,
reliable data feed but weak mutual funddata and market breadth.
> >
> > QP3 has both and a great depth ofwhat I'm calling market
internals or breadth data for all US markets.,advance/declines,
high/lows, up /down volumes.
> >
> > For other indices like R2000, Ihave to develop and run daily as
composites.
> >
> > However I should ask, how do you geta comparable organization of
industry groups in AB if you
> >
> > don't have TC2000 as your data feed?
> >
> > On the plus side for AB don't forget thebacktesting and
optimization with native AB optimization
> >
> > or with the optimizer called IO byFred Tonetti.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > JOE
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > FROM: TA 4 Charts
> >
> > TO: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > SENT: Monday, June 20,2005 10:49 PM
> >
> > SUBJECT: Re: [amibroker]TC2005 & Amibroker
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have to agree with Dan -- TC2005 is ok for data,and perhaps
some very
> > simple fast sorts.
> >
> > I use ATR as an indicator of preference for sorting-- in AB it's
built in
> > and I can build complex varieties of AA outputbased on it. In
TC2005, it's
> > about 32+ operations of code to produce anATR(10). Then there's
ADX (not
> > available for scans, just sorting on their staticindicator), and
CCI,
> > forget it, etc. I too do some stuff like Dandiscribes, but only
in AB as
> > TC2005 won't support it. If any further plugfor AB is needed,
I'll note
> > that one can automate the output from theexploration or scan to a
watchlist
> > as part of the code.
> >
> > So for research, sophisticated scans and ease ofuse (once you
learnit), AB
> > is a no brainer. Too bad one can't just buyTC2005 data at a discount
> > without the charts, etc., as it generally is gooddata (a few minor
> > exceptions of course). Still it's not thatexpensive -- my
commissions are
> > an order of magnitude greater each month,sometimes two.
> >
> > Peace and Justice --- Patrick
> >
> > (Dan - we'll see how this post does for time, Isaw your last was
only about
> > 8 min delayed)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Clark
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [amibroker] TC2005 & Amibroker
> >
> > I have to disagree a bit with Joe.
> >
> > I agree if all you want to do is perform BASICscans and filters.
Very
> > basic!
> >
> > But the problem with TC is that you quickly runinto a wall.
> >
> > For example, using Linear Regression lines, Iperform a scan where:
> >
> > 1) the stock is in a list of tradable symbol and
> > 2) the long term trend of a symbol is up, and
> > 3) the short term trend is down, and
> > 4) the short term trend of Twiggs Money Flow is up(divergence), and
> > 5) the symbol is NOT in a list of manuallyexcluded symbols, and
> > 6) the symbol is NOT already in a target shortlist
> > 7) the symbol is NOT already in a target longlist.
> >
> > I tried this in TC.
> >
> > Number 1 is easy.
> > Numbers 2, 3 and 4 (using Money Stream instead)are a 19 step manual
> > process!!!
> > Numbers 5, 6 and 7 are NOT possible!!!
> >
> > TC has its benefits. But sophisticatedscanning is NOT one of them.
> >
> > As you probably already figured out, I use TC fordata only.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dan.
> >
> > From:
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> > Of Joe Landry
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:59 PM
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] TC2005 & Amibroker
> >
> > If all you want to do is scans/filters then TC2005 will be all
you need.
> >
> > However if you ever want to backtest or use acustom indicator
that the
> > Worden brothers didn't include in their
> > package then you're out of luck.
> >
> > When I subscribed to TC2000 it was for the data,
preliminaryscans, and
> > industry groups. Now I'm using
> > QP3, quotes plus 3 for mutual funds and stocks forless than
TC2000, but I
> > don't get intraday delayed quotes
> > on stocks. I do get realtime data from mybroker but I can't run
the signal
> > routines that will tell me if a signal will
> > trip before the close.
> >
> > Best regards
> > JOE
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: skilletlicqor
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:42 PM
> > Subject: [amibroker] TC2005 & Amibroker
> >
> > I notice there are a number of users of bothTC2005 and Amibroker. I
> > currently use TC2005 and am on the trial month forAmibroker. I'm
> > very impressed with Amibroker and wonder whatthose of you who use
> > both do in TC2005 that you can't do inAmibroker. Or is TC2005 just
> > for the data? I haven't worked with AFL much but Iassume that it is
> > capable of performing any scans that I can do withTC2005. Is this
> > not the case?
> > I'm on a tight budget and can probably only affordone of these
> > programs right now.
> >
> > Thanks for replies.
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussionbetween users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send ane-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
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> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send ane-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
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> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send ane-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
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> >
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> >
> > For other support material please check also:
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> >
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> >
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> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
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> >
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> >
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> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
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> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
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> -------Original Message-------
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