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Thanks Tomasz.  I just read the release notes for the beta.  The new
reporting of coding errors is fantastic. I think this will really aid
the learning curve for the program.  I could see this eventually
leading to a setup where an error condition message links to a HTML
debug tree that allows you to move through the possible causes to
resolution.  Thanks.  Nice job.
 Bret

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <amibroker@xxxx>
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Barry Scarborough wrote:
> >> A compiler that found all the errors, listed them at  the
> > > bottom with what the error definition is and allowing me to click on
> > > that line and be taken to the error line would be much better, but
> > > now we are talking about the diagnostic ability of a MS Visual C++
> > > compiler. I double we will ever get that. But improvement could be
> > > made.
> 
> Exactly this is available now in newly released AmiBroker 4.68.2 BETA.
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker-beta/message/1780
> 
> ( To my surprise apparently no-one noticed )
> 
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Barry Scarborough" <razzbarry@xxxx>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:05 PM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Training and/or User Groups
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We need a comprehensive manual with well documented and coded
> > > examples with comments on each line, the more the better. And we
> > > need a compiler that locates the error and tells us what is 
> wrong.
> > > Both of the current items fall short of what we need to write
> > > effective code without pulling our hair out.
> > >
> > > I do not agree with using weekly subjects with examples within 
> the
> > > context of the forum. Have you tried to locate articles on the 
> forum
> > > using search arguments? It is almost impossible to find a 
> specific
> > > topic and difficult at best to find what you are looking for. A
> > > search returns many articles, then you have to browse through 
> them
> > > spending huge amounts of time and often coming away more 
> frustrated
> > > than when you began. Many of the example assume you already know 
> how
> > > to program within AB, bad assumption, and they are not commented
> > > well at all. The more terse the example the more difficult they 
> are
> > > to follow. You can, and some often do, pack a lot of code on one
> > > line and unless you understand the language and have a block 
> comment
> > > above the code telling you what is being done in human language, 
> you
> > > will not follow what is being done. Examples should not do this.
> > >
> > > An online manual or a newer version in PDF that allows searches
> > > would be good. How-to subjects with examples would be much better
> > > than the manual we now have. The manual we now have often 
> provides
> > > links to examples on their website but they are not commented 
> well
> > > and many times are terse and very difficult for a newbie or even 
> a
> > > programmer to understand. Finding exactly what you are looking 
> for
> > > is very difficult. But that is what the forum is for. If the same
> > > question is asked over and over then it is a candidate for an 
> online
> > > example withj comments. Examples should also have meaningful
> > > variable names or good comments so they are easy to follow.
> > >
> > > Another thing that would really be helpful is a compiler that 
> placed
> > > the cursor ON THE FAILING LINE with a good explanation of what 
> the
> > > failure is. I often, especially when I am using for or if
> > > statements, I find an error at the end of the code with the 
> cursor
> > > on the last line of code and saying something like "Hey you 
> screwed
> > > up. He he. See if you can figure out where you made a mistake." 
> Many
> > > times I have had to comment out large blocks of code trying to 
> find
> > > out where the problem is. Then it is not always obvious what the
> > > error is. A compiler that found all the errors, listed them at 
> the
> > > bottom with what the error definition is and allowing me to 
> click on
> > > that line and be taken to the error line would be much better, 
> but
> > > now we are talking about the diagnostic ability of a MS Visual 
> C++
> > > compiler. I double we will ever get that. But improvement could 
> be
> > > made.
> > >
> > > A comprehensive manual is what we need. Allowing users to provide
> > > comprehensive well document examples would be great too. Put 
> them in
> > > a library on the AB site, not in the forum.
> > >
> > > All the seminars I have attended, I am an IBM programmer and have
> > > attended tons of them, addressed general topics, unless they are
> > > weeks long. Newbies need a general, low level seminar to get 
> used to
> > > the code. People who have a fairly good grasp of the language and
> > > how to use it would require a more comprehensive seminar, 
> actually a
> > > programming class that lasts a week or more. But when you walk 
> away
> > > from a seminar you had better have a comprehensive manual because
> > > you are not going to remember what you were taught in a month.
> > > Typically you lose 80% to 90% of what you are taught in three 
> months
> > > unless you start using it right away and keep at it. If you go 
> to a
> > > seminar and try to use what you learned a year later, forget it. 
> You
> > > will be looking in the manual.
> > >
> > > We also need a more comprehensive description of how to use the
> > > Automatic Analysis tools, back tester especially. I have not 
> figuree
> > > out how to use them effectively yet and I have been coding in AB 
> for
> > > 1.5 years. Once again, how do you set the settings? I still don't
> > > know how to set them for a real world experience.
> > >
> > > Barry





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