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Gary,
>>Read through all of Dimitris Tsokakis code posts. He uses a wide
array of coding techniques in his numerous posts. ... ... but DT
posts so much that you will not run out of examples to pool from.<<
Agree wholeheartedly.
Regards,
- Salil V Gangal
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Gary A. Serkhoshian"
<serkhoshian777@xxxx> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I really think going down the road of programming books is severe
overkill, but what is worse- it is not going to help you code systems
better imho.
>
> You just got to do it. Here's a challenge that will yield a lot
more benefits than trudging through a coding book.
>
> Read through all of Dimitris Tsokakis code posts. He uses a wide
array of coding techniques in his numerous posts. You will not
understand much the first time, but as you refer back to the AFL help
files based on questions stemming from his code, you'll learn what
he's doing. More importantly, you'll learn how to apply it. There
are a lot of other great coders on this board, but DT posts so much
that you will not run out of examples to pool from.
>
> Go through one post a day for the next month or so, and I'll bet
you'll look back and wonder what was so damn hard about coding AFL : )
>
> Kind Regards,
> Gary
>
>
>
> danielwardadams <danielwardadams@xxxx> wrote:
> Gary,
> So what do you think of TJ's (and other's) suggestion of using
> Kernighan and Ritchie's "The C Programming Language" or other
> introductory books on C to learn some basic coding techniques? K&R
is
> the classic - written by people who helped develop C - but there
are
> lots of "C For Dummies"-like books available at Amazon.com and your
> local Barnes & Noble.
>
> I think people are looking for some sort of panacea in learning AB.
> In actuality, I think there are lots of resources laying around:
> user's guide, video tutorials, online help, books on programming,
> sample AFL code, the people on this thread, etc. Yet it's a complex
> product with a lot of capability so I think people just have to
jump
> in and use what's there, realizing it will take some time. I
started
> using AB 5-6 weeks ago and I'm just now starting to feel a "little
> bit" competent with it (but realizing I still have a long ways to
go).
>
> Somebody suggested earlier avoiding books on C++. I agree. C++ has
a
> lot of stuff not applicable to AFL. Plain old C is much closer IMO.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Gary A. Serkhoshian"
> <serkhoshian777@xxxx> wrote:
> > Glen,
> >
> > You must understand that what you are describing in Graham's e-
mail
> was a CODING TECHNIQUE. I've come to find that programming is 40%
> understanding syntax (the help file) and 60% knowing coding
> techniques.
> >
> > Right now the AB board is the primary source for the coding
> technique portion, and I wholeheartedly agree that a coding
technique
> reference is going to be necessary for AB to get mass appeal.
> >
> > Judging from your posts, you have done a good job of getting your
> arms around AFL, and I hope that others new to AFL will espouse the
> same sense of curiousity and patience you have exibited.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Glen Haponek <ghaponek@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Gary,
> >
> > On 3-24-04 a post by Graham did an excellent job providing
> pertinent information on the use of the keyword CUM. I don't think
> that a more robust elaboration on the typical use of some of the
> keywords in the users guide is unreasonable. After all they are
> keywords and it's not like you can go to the bookstore for a
> reference manual on AFL, as you can on a foreign language.
Everyone
> usually has some preconceived notions about what to expect when
they
> start working with a new program. I expected to find a section on
> creating or building a system. Well it's in the user's guide but
not
> really as a section such as is devoted to " A Beginner's Charting
> Guide", which I personally don't really care much about right now.
> The optimum use of "function" and "procedure" as explained in the
> user's guide doesn't exactly jump right out at me either. Why and
> when and how I would use it to advantage just aren't in any context
> that I can use.
> >
> > I'm not here to criticize the user's guide and I'm not seeking
> advice on the mentioned topics, they are just examples that come to
> mind of questions that I have had. I really don't know what could
be
> expected out of a person trying to do anything in AFL if they had
no
> prior programming experience. But if you suggest that this person
> pour over code to learn AFL that did not contain concise
explanation
> then it could be like picking up a foreign newspaper and not
knowing
> their alphabet. If you learned in this manner then you ought to be
> commended for accomplishing so much.
> >
> > I'm not advocating for or against your effort to"work up a to do
> list", and I'm not advocating less reading as has been previously
> suggested. I'd just like to see more of something to read in
certain
> areas.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Glen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary A. Serkhoshian
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Helper duudes: Whadya say let's work
> up a to do list for...
> >
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> > I gotta offer some tough love here because I, along with everyone
> else on this board, have been or currently are in the same
situation
> you are.
> >
> > If you've ever had the pleasure of learning a foreign language,
you
> may recall how much of a pain it was to learn conjugation of verbs,
> learning vocab, and understanding concepts of grammar. If you were
> even more fortunate to have gone to a foreign country to apply your
> learnings, you realized that what you learned in books was only
> scratching the surface.
> >
> > Well Kevin, AFL is no different. You must go through the entire
> help file that encompases AFL. You must read through every
> function. You must read every line of code from every post on this
> board.
> >
> > Initially, you will only understand 1% of what you read.
However,
> after enough iterations, you will gradually get a grasp of the
> language, and the inherent power that it offers.
> >
> > I'm not programmer by trade, but if I could learn AFL then you
can
> too. : )
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Gary
> >
> > mrdavis9 <mrdavis9@xxxx> wrote:
> > Yes, the AFL functions do have an example, however, they are of
> little value to non-technical folks such as myself and Yuki.
Every
> time that I look up a function, it has only the techie definition,
> and obviously, that is as it should be.
> >
> > However, when I click to go on line to see more detailed
> information, there is usually no additional detail there to see.
> >
> > The help provided by this board has been enormously helpful.
> However, non-techie newbys will be able to grasp it much faster if
we
> could see examples of practical use of these functions when we
click
> go online to see a more detailed description.
> > Below here I have pasted an earlier email from a very frustrated
> Yuki.
> >
====================================================================
> > Side note, William,
> >
> > Friday, September 12, 2003, 1:12:11 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > WP> if (GetDatabaseName() == "XYZ")
> >
> > This seems so easy -- so very bloody easy that it is *extremely*
> > frustrating that I could not come up with it myself. Perhaps
these
> > things are only easy in retrospect -- at least I hope so. I never
> > really thought of myself as mentally challenged until I started
> using
> > this software. ^_^ I knew of this function, but a practical use
> for
> > it simply eluded me. This is true of any large number of AFL
> > functions. ^^_^^
> >
> > The AFL reference is simply not all that much help for minds that
> are
> > not accustomed to programming, I think. Here is what it says
about
> > this function:
> >
> > SYNTAX GetDatabaseName()
> > RETURNS STRING
> > FUNCTION retrieves the name of the database - the last part
> (folder) of the database path
> > EXAMPLE
> > SEE ALSO
> >
> > And this was from the updated/extended version online.
> >
> > Okay, it retrieves the name of the database. Whatever would I
ever
> > want to use that capability for? ^^_^^ Now I know, of course.
> >
> > My point here is that this function was included into the AFL
> > language for a reason. The developer (TJ) had a notion of
> > specifically what this might be used for, and it turns out to be
> very
> > handy indeed for this situation that I have recently come across.
> Yet
> > NO notion of any specific practical way that this function might
be
> > used is included in the AFL language reference, at least none
that I
> > can find. There is some kind of thought bridge here that
> programmers
> > can easily cross, and non-programmers (at least this non-
programmer)
> > cannot.
> >
> > A specific example of practical usage should be given for AFL
> > functions in the reference, I think. These examples should be
> > written in NON-PROGRAMMING prose. ^_^ They should be the
antithesis
> > of Linux MAN pages. They should take little grasshoppers like me
> and
> > lead them to discovering practical usages for the function.
> >
> > I would be willing to help anyone that would like to work on this
> > type of project. I'm afraid, though, that my contribution would
be
> > limited to cleaning up the wording, and making it clear. And
also,
> > if I can understand it, it's probably a great filter for 'ready'
or
> > 'not ready'.
> >
> > Yuki
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jayson
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Helper duudes: Whadya say let's work
> up a to do list for...
> >
> >
> > Odd....in my version of AFL function reference nearly every AFL
> function has an example, many more than one, attached to it.....
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jayson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin243@xxxx [mailto:Kevin243@x...]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:42 PM
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Helper duudes: Whadya say let's work
> up a to do list for...
> >
> >
> > I asked a simple question and got a lot of answers that have
> nothing to do with the question I asked. You don't know me, so how
> do you know what I need. Does anybody know of a good book that
comes
> close to AFL? What's missing in the documentation is examples.
> That's how you learned things in school - working through examples
> and finally creating your own routines to solve new problems. That
> was true for basic Addition math all the way through Differential
> Equations.
> >
> > Two salesmen in Best Buy kept telling me the print cartridges
they
> handed me would work in my printer today. I kept telling them no,
> they won't work. They talked me into trying them.
> >
> > Of course they didn't work......
> >
> > Kevin Campbell
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/4/04 10:31:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Kevin243@xxxx writes:
> > That's too simple...
> > Kevin
> >
> > In a message dated 4/4/04 10:12:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
> jcasavant@xxxx writes:
> > You might have a look at the simple program written by Bill
Peters
> over at ABtools.com it allows you to tell the program what you
want
> in English then it spits out the AFL equiv. It may give you a quick
> start on AFL programming
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jayson
> >
> >
> >
> >
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