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Re: [amibroker] An effective stopping methodology - 3BSMA and powerSAR stops


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  • From: "john gibb" <jgibb1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:00:16 -0800
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Hi Pal,

Can you share the AFL for the Ehler's Squelch function...i found the
TradeStation code here
http://trader.online.pl/ELZ/t-pb-Squelch_Indicator.html

but hopefully you or someone else has converted it?

BTW, have you used any other trend-or-not indicators like ADX/DMI? If so,
how did they compare to Squelch?

thanks

-john
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "palsanand" <palsanand@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:11 PM
Subject: [amibroker] An effective stopping methodology - 3BSMA and powerSAR
stops


> Hi All,
>
> I have been searching for an effective stopping methodology for a
> very long time (since I began trading).  I experimented with several,
> like all kinds of MA based stops, Gann's Rule of Eights stop, ATR
> based stops etc., I finally may have found a good one.  It is based
> on the theory that there are essentially two types of markets:
> Trending and Trading Range.  An instrument does not start a new trend
> immediately after ending the previous trend.  It might go into a
> consolidation phase (Trading Range) before starting a new trend.  The
> problem is to time this start of a new trend.  Sometimes we have to
> wait for a long time indeed, thus if we enter the market too soon, we
> get whipsawed.  To solve this problem, I came out with the
> following:  Use a "mental stop" on day of entry at a reasonable
> distance from your entry point.  Either an ATR based stop or a pivot
> point support/resistance based stop would suffice and exit only after
> 20 minutes has passed since your mental stop is exceeded and you are
> still losing.  Use a 3BSMA stop during the initial stages (from next
> session after entry when the start of a new trend is still not yet
> confirmed) in accordance with the principle: Cut your losses short.
>
> Plot(MA(C,3),"MA3",colorWhite,1);
>
> Once, a new trend has started (confirmed by LinRegReveral Indicator
> and/or Zig-Zag trend indicator) and powerSAR has also confirmed the
> new trend, use the following stop in accordance with the principle:
> Let your profits run.
>
> Plot(scPowerSar(0.02,0.01,0.2),"PowerSAR",-16,8+16);
>
> (You need AB's dll's to use this function)
>
> SAR is the Stop and Reverse system developed by Welles Wilder.  This
> system indicates where one should exit a trade and simultaneously
> reverse positions.  It may also be coded to provide a stop for
> tomorrow's trading action.  This function does not work with
> Equivolume chart.
>
> This provides a systematic way to set a stop order.  The stops are
> changed daily and are adjusted to suit the market's conditions.  It
> also keeps you constantly in the market.  When one gets stopped out,
> you are also to initiate a trade in the opposite direction (In
> reality, you would already may have gotten a reversal signal and may
> be already trading it using a 3BSMA stop).  This is generally used by
> futures and forex traders.  Stock traders could of course short the
> stock however, one could also just buy stock and sell it without
> shorting it.  Then when the next buy signal occurs, jump in again.
> This can be quite useful during trending markets however, it is
> practically useless in trendless conditions (I use Dr. John F. Ehlers
> Squelch functions to distinguish between trending and trading ranges)
> or when the price is consolidating.  One can get whip-sawed and make
> several losing trades under these trendless conditions.
>
> This function is inherently a trend-following study.  It increases
> the stop level each successive day until the 10th day that the market
> is still trending.  At this point, it raises the stop level
> proportionally daily.  This is due to the observed fact that 10-day
> runs are extremely rare.  These long runs do occur however they only
> occur around 5% of the time.  So this works magnificiently in trends
> and miserably in congestion or consolidation periods, but works well
> when combined with a 3BSMA stop during the initial stages (when the
> start of the new trend is not yet confirmed and you want a tight stop
> just in case the new trend did not start.  Doesn't mean that you were
> wrong in trading it, just that sometimes it takes a long time for a
> new trend to develop and most people don't have the guts to buy when
> everybody else is selling and sell when everybody else is buying and
> that is one of the reason most traders lose and ofcourse they may
> also lack patience and also adequate capitalization, money-management
> (PositionSize, MaxOpenPos, MaxRisk, PositionScore etc.,))
>
> Any feedback appreciated.  TIA.
>
> rgds, Pal
>
>
>
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