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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Congratulations on the completion of your new website, Steve.
Looks neat, however I miss the trade listings that came with your
earlier charts - especially since they were compiled day-by-day OOS. Kind
of a waste to see that disappear...
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>also, perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see your formula page...
that is what started me tinkering with mechanical systems years ago.
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<SPAN
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posts, keep them coming!
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<SPAN
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<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From: CedarCreekTrading
[mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: November 23, 2003 5:10
AMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [amibroker]
Re: any karnish watchers out there? For Steve
<SPAN
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>then I do try it, report results that are less than
stellar,
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For what
period, 1929? 2000? 2001? Might as well pick a some years
that don't fall within two standard deviations for
volatility. How has this approach tested since the first day I
posted it? I know DT tested it and wasn't impressed at the time of it's
original posting. Being the great guy that he is...he offered a
number of improvements to it's structure. Too bad you didn't see the
original post. You could of traded the StoRSI, on QQQ's,and posted a
26-3 track record this year.
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>it's quite another to show some great-looking charts
and strongly imply that the single indicator shown is profitable in and
of itself,
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Isn't and
hasn't the QQQ/StoRSI been profitable since the day I publicly shared the
indicator and system? Just because you tested it on a couple of years
that had abnormal volatility doesn't really mean much. What's more
important: your historic examination of two outlying years, or the track
record that has been created by the system since I supplied the
approach?
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I'd
suggest you save your criticism about what works and what doesn't work until
what works ... stops working. You are suggesting that this approach
sucks because you can't identify profits in some backtesting. Really,
give me a break. You keep backtesting for 2001 and 2002 and I'll keep
using this "general" (I no longer use the term robust for anything)timing
indicator to supplement my trading ideas and I will continue to "teach, talk,
and trade".
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Please,
you don't need my help. As I recall, you started this tread. Why
pursue shit indicators that produce shit results? Move on to other
approaches. There are plenty of people on this forum that you can learn
a lot more from that a street urchin from Detroit. I don't have any
magic. What I have is nearly 14,000 hours of researh since 1996. Of
course, a part of that was spent testing worthless ideas gleaned for books,
seminars and forums.
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My Holy
Grail is an eight-ounce styrofoam cup, with teeth marks and lipstick
smears. It's nothing special. OK, I'm going to go back and crawl
into my hole.
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Oh, for
those interested: I finally finished my new improved webpage. It's
free ...as it has been since the beginning. Lot's of indicators and very
handsome pictures of me and my research partners.
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Take
care,
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<SPAN
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----- Original Message -----
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Dave Merrill
To: <A title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:59
AM
Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: any
karnish watchers out there? For Steve
<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>steve, not only do I assume you've done it, but
when you speak about it as you have, I assume we'll like what we see if we
do it ourselves -- that's why you mentioned it. <SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>then I do try it, report results that are less than
stellar, and hear, "try this, try that".
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>I don't mean to
offend, or discourage teaching or the sharing of ideas, not at all. but it's
one thing to suggest that an idea might be worth pursuing, in combination
with a not-completely-specified set of confirming indicators, stops,
entrails, etc.. it's quite another to show some great-looking charts and
strongly imply that the single indicator shown is profitable in and of
itself, or with confirmation from any old trend indicator you might have
lying around.
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>I know I need to do
my own homework. I've been doing a great deal of that, don't mind, find it
interesting even. I'm just mystified by the vibe that the actual
numerical results I get from a system someone else suggested aren't that
great because of some problem with the way I approach life in general,
like some box I haven't thought my way out of (my favorite). it's not the
first time this has happened, so steve, don't take my reaction
personally.
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>please don't
misunderstand, I'm trying to learn, not put anyone down, or their ideas. I
very much appreciate the offerings from everyone here, especially the more
experienced traders and system designers. I hope people will continue to
share their ideas, and comment on what gets posted.
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>I also appreciate
everyone's putting up with my ignorance, my endless attempts to test
and verify what gets said, and the periodic intrusions of my inner brat,
like this one. maybe it falls under the category of failing to shut up if I
don't have something nice to say, but surely there are others out there
wondering the same thing and not saying so out of deference to greater
expertise. or maybe not. maybe everyone but me takes this ball and runs with
it, all the way to the bank, while I just continually miss the obvious.
either way, hopefully we'll all learn something by talking about it, or
at least I will.
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<SPAN
class=016270523-21112003>dave
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>I
guess the point is that some, rightly or wrongly, assume you've
already done this. If that's the case what kind of results have
you gotten (CAR, MDD, UI) OOS ? Maybe I'm nuts but to me a
Stochastic RSI, whether it's coupled with a trend indicator or stops
of a variety of types etc. is well INSIDE the box.--- In
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading" <kernish@xxxx>
wrote:> Dave,> > No problem....I'd suggest that
you mix and match stops, trend identifiers and triggers. I not
suggesting that you over-optimize (a rather tired and elusive topic on
this forum), but, please think outside the box. The important
point is: there are certain momentum oscillators that time you
into trend retracements that are very accurate. Pick one.
> > Then, decide on some type of trend identification.
Only take trades in that direction. > > Then,
conjure a stop strategy...to protect your position and
pocketbook.> > And finally, use something other than a
momentum oscillator to time you out. Momentum Oscillators will
never capture a good move, running in the direction of the trend,
without leaving a lot of "cheese" on the table.> > I
think you can see that this is a bit different that just buying and
selling at the trigger levels. The StoRSI has, and will always,
be a very decent timing device to position you into trend
retracements. > > Take care,> >
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